I know Alibaba , has started bulky wholesale this version ,anybody know where to get the retail version ,pls inform.
https://detail.1688.com/offer/551902033464.html
https://detail.1688.com/offer/552332038327.html
Have you tried their sister site aliexpress?
I can't find any info in aliexpress, as they just started to launch their product , they are only sell at their Chinese alibaba site.
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This is not the 500 in 1 nes mini clone, but a identical clone.
It's a direct clone of the NES Mini - I expect everything is the same and they are the exact same manufacturers.
Did you try sending them a message? If not I can try to do that to see if they are on Aliexpress as well.
Quote from: L___E___T on June 09, 2017, 09:16:38 pm
It's a direct clone of the NES Mini - I expect everything is the same and they are the exact same manufacturers.
Did you try sending them a message? If not I can try to do that to see if they are on Aliexpress as well.
You mean they are the genuine NES mini manufacturer???
I contact them already, it is a direct clone, and everything is same as new mini include the kachikachi emulator.
Yes, that's my assumption because it's a common almost default practice with these manufacturing factories, to make the item for the client and then to sell a copy on the side, or sell the designs for it. This is so similar, including packaging, that it must be the same manufacturer that made them in the first place or at least, the closest copy you're going to see. But that is still just an assumption, albeit one based on understanding and experience.
When I said message them though - that was to enquirer about single units, not how close the specimen is to the original. Did you ask that specifically (in English or Chinese?) and what did they say so far?
If the minimum order was ten I'd get them in a big hurry! :D
(//)
Quote from: L___E___T on June 10, 2017, 05:23:45 am
Yes, that's my assumption because it's a common almost default practice with these manufacturing factories, to make the item for the client and then to sell a copy on the side, or sell the designs for it. This is so similar, including packaging, that it must be the same manufacturer that made them in the first place or at least, the closest copy you're going to see. But that is still just an assumption, albeit one based on understanding and experience.
When I said message them though - that was to enquirer about single units, not how close the specimen is to the original. Did you ask that specifically (in English or Chinese?) and what did they say so far?
If the minimum order was ten I'd get them in a big hurry! :D
The manufacturer has sent me some pic, it looks so real. They planned to sell US version in next month, probably I will get both together soon.
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The price is dirt cheap, only RMB 260 for single unit.
I will get both EU and US version next month, but unfortunately
they won't sell JP famicom version for some reason.
This looks unreal. Do you think these will be 100% genuine units without all of the extra paperwork/baggies? I'm not sure if the UK version comes how the picture portrays it? I would cross my fingers to be able to finally buy one for my little nephews! :'(
This looks like a local sales , better get a forwaarding agent .
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.5-c.w4002-951739601.64.dV4xXB&id=552333582066
They post me some video as a proof, check this out
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L3hdFn-I-eA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T9x6LUNNELY
Post Merge: June 12, 2017, 09:52:01 pm
Japanese version next monh
I think their listing page was altered? Maybe they don't accept orders outside of China.
All the same I ordered two units so will compare when they arrive. I have the EU version myself.
They honestly look the same but if not, I can use them as extras or sell my standard when for example.
Quote from: L___E___T on June 14, 2017, 02:21:59 am
I think their listing page was altered? Maybe they don't accept order outside of China.
All the same, I ordered two units so will compare when they arrive, I have the EU version myself.
They honestly look the same but if not, I can use them as extras or sell my standard when for example.
I think the Nintendo Logo is the reasons why they don't sell it internationally, unlike the 500 in 1 entertainment system.
I usually get the forwarding agent services to dealt with this China taobao.
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Quote from: L___E___T on June 14, 2017, 02:21:59 am
I think their listing page was altered? Maybe they don't accept orders outside of China.
All the same I ordered two units so will compare when they arrive. I have the EU version myself.
They honestly look the same but if not, I can use them as extras or sell my standard when for example.
By default the listing page will be Hong Kong based on your IP address , then you need to change it to mainland china.
The rest is just copy the link address, and give it to forwarding agent.........
Only about $10 more than the listing itself. But it seems closed outside of China (I ordered from within China through family).
Are you ordered both EU and US version?
Is US version available for sales now?
I have talked with a seller in china that sells clone consoles and game accessories and he says that is not real and the only nes mini clone is that with 500 in 1 games so i would be cautious because its probably a scam.
Quote from: Bebop on June 16, 2017, 04:32:04 pm
I have talked with a seller in china that sells clone consoles and game accessories and he says that is not real and the only nes mini clone is that with 500 in 1 games so i would be cautious because its probably a scam.
May be just a piece of raspberry pi board inside the nes mini clone.
We'll see soon enough - if what is in the videos is what arrives, it doesn't look like that is the case.
Quote from: L___E___T on June 17, 2017, 07:15:45 am
We'll see soon enough - if what is in the videos is what arrives, it doesn't look like that is the case.
You do mention you get 2 units of them, is the US version available for sales now.?
Hello - I don't think so, I just ordered two EU versions. I thought yours would have arrived by now? Mine won't be here till July.
Quote from: L___E___T on June 17, 2017, 04:23:39 pm
Hello - I don't think so, I just ordered two EU versions. I thought yours would have arrived by now? Mine won't be here till July.
From my experience It will take 3 weeks to one month to arrive my country --Malaysia.
I dont know what to belive, now a another seller say its real and now one seller have it on aliexpress so you can buy it now.
Post Merge: June 18, 2017, 04:53:34 pm
one have it for sale on aliexpress now.
Show me the area to buy it please?
You can buy it here on aliexpress now:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Professional-System-For-NES-Classic-TV-Video-Game-Console-Mini-Version-Built-in-30-Games/2342303_32816814300.html?spm=2114.12010611.0.0.dBRVT0
Quote from: Bebop on June 18, 2017, 04:59:34 pm
You can buy it here on aliexpress now:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-Professional-System-For-NES-Classic-TV-Video-Game-Console-Mini-Version-Built-in-30-Games/2342303_32816814300.html?spm=2114.12010611.0.0.dBRVT0
Dang! The price is almost equivalent to fc mini.
They probably know there's still a huge demand for this so they've inflated the price.
With shipping this is practically retail price. Nothing is said about a box, so it will be less than ideal.
Yeah it doesn't include a box, it's just a system with controllers and cables; which is sort of expensive for roughly $80.
Quote from: Bebop on June 16, 2017, 04:32:04 pm
I have talked with a seller in china that sells clone consoles and game accessories and he says that is not real and the only nes mini clone is that with 500 in 1 games so i would be cautious because its probably a scam.
OK well a quick update - the two units arrived with my family in China. From their pictures, it looks identical in terms of the box and what is inside. I will need to compare in detail and software in July.
An important thing to remember here is that the NES mini itself, (both US and EU versions) and the Famicom Mini are all made in China, in a specific factory. What's to stop that factory making more?
I was happy to order two even if they are fake because I can use them for projects, as a Raspberry Pi case or just a paperweight. So I figured it was worth a risk, and (so far) it does look like I was right.
ah nice thanks for update, could you post the pictures?
No they were on snapchat and a Skype call, sorry. Of course the software could end up being different, or details...
I think i started to belive this is a real clone after i have comparison some picture of a real one.
First the console:
You can compare and see that the Nintendo Entertainment System text is slightly placed higher up on the clone and numbers 1 and 2 on the controller port are placed differently.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/9ixz46.jpg)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2hghbf6.jpg)
Controller:
You can see that color of Nintendo text on the sticker its slightly bit different and muddy and the cut of the sticker especially around the buttons on the controller is not as precise cut as on the original and A and B are placed a little bit differently.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/4hzl9g.jpg)
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2ztd4lw.jpg)
Maby now i order one or two for fun even if i have the original.
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(http://i.imgur.com/KmNtWi6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UOMQnyr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/N8FBQQy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NquNb43.jpg)
And i think the bar code is differently, now i own the european version so maby the us version have a different code.
(http://i.imgur.com/wIwcy90.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CERs7fr.jpg)
Thank you for the pictures especially after I couldn't share mine earlier.
What I have on the way looks just like that and I will expect it's a clone as per those pics.
Still interested to see what the on-board software is like, and if it's Raspberry Pi or something else.
What these factories usually do is create everything but with cheaper materials, so that's consistent there.
I also have the EU version at home so will do a full comparison when it comes to it, and hopefully get it modded.
I hope its the same kachikachi emulator software as in the original as that person that earlier upload the youtube video say it is and i hope it can be compatible with hackchi ;D
Post Merge: June 21, 2017, 04:47:51 pm
i have noticed some difference to the connector pins on the controller port to.
(http://i.imgur.com/PpDWKk2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1mVqg42.jpg)
If it's those crappy 9 pin connectors that's a shame. I bought that little composite Famicom Mini clone recently and the controllers alone were awful, but combined with the pins (which didn't align fully) it meant constant re-plugging.
Quote from: L___E___T on June 22, 2017, 01:33:04 am
If it's those crappy 9 pin connectors that's a shame. I bought that little composite Famicom Mini clone recently and the controllers alone were awful, but combined with the pins (which didn't align fully) it meant constant re-plugging.
Its a wii connector but i saw it look different inside, i am shore its working as the same as the original.
Yes i have to but the Nes mini clone with 500 games built in with the ugly 9 pin sega port ;D but my controller works alright...........for the price ;)
I have order 2 sets now even if my order not include box and i pay $69 each.
Its gonna be interesting to see what hardware and software that inside, i guess from the video that is type of Pi board inside because of the slow boot that take 11-12s to startup.
But i am satisfied if its only the 30 games and that have hdmi and its compatible with the third party wireless controller that i have. :)
Everything more than that i take as a bonus :)
Have you get yours yet? :)
https://m.1688.com/offer/554507373714.html
American version finally....? ;D
somebody that heard or know something more about this clone? i'm still waiting for my order to arrive.
Any word on getting yours, Bebop? This thing has me insanely curious.
Mine will be here in a just under a week now :)
By the way these have been widely picked up on Instagram among other places and I'm sure the price has gone up and will continue to go up as they get more interest. But I haven't seen any full reviews yet - this thread has the most information (in English) on the web it seems.
i donk know this site but maby a real 1:1 clone after all :) happy if so :)
http://www.cgmagonline.com/2017/07/07/alleged-nintendo-nes-classic-knock-off-spotted-in-the-wild/
mine too are on its way :)
Quote from: Bebop on July 09, 2017, 02:27:09 pm
i donk know this site but maby a real 1:1 clone after all :) happy if so :)
http://www.cgmagonline.com/2017/07/07/alleged-nintendo-nes-classic-knock-off-spotted-in-the-wild/
mine too are on its way :)
These guys just regurgitated the effort I put into a post on NeoGAF (which is probably the source of all the minor media attention): http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1402501 They don't have any more access to them than you or I.
It's funny, I phrased the GAF post as a warning to collectors but like 85% of the replies are "yes, please". It's honestly eating me up to know more about its functionality.
Price has gone up, but I think people are generally receptive to these, and I really hope Nintendo do make more in future. Maybe they are embarrassed that is seems more popular than the Switch?
I'm not sure where you're seeing the price has gone up other than eBay resellers and elsewhere. But I'm pretty sure this device is priced specifically for resellers to enjoy massive margins on. Original Alibaba listing shows $50-60 US: https://m.alibaba.com/product/60705566439/EUR-version-of-the-nes-classic.html?spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.24.RCn9h3
Chinese yen 260 per single unit converted to us currency usd 38.
That's through the Taobao listing, though, correct? Is that higher than its original list price? You can't order internationally via that Taobao listing, correct?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Japanese-Console-For-NES-MINI-For-Nintendo-Classic-Mini-Family-Computer-Video-Game-Console-Original/32808040260.html?spm=2114.search0104.0.0.kPbVW8
famiclone mini launching price is too high. :upsetroll:
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Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 10, 2017, 10:15:39 am
That's through the Taobao listing, though, correct? Is that higher than its original list price? You can't order internationaslly via that Taobao listing, correct?
Even I pay some forwarding agent fees it still worth the price.
Haha! You might as well just buy a real Famicom Classic Mini for cheaper!
Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 10, 2017, 08:46:36 am
I'm not sure where you're seeing the price has gone up other than eBay resellers and elsewhere. But I'm pretty sure this device is priced specifically for resellers to enjoy massive margins on. Original Alibaba listing shows $50-60 US: https://m.alibaba.com/product/60705566439/EUR-version-of-the-nes-classic.html?spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.24.RCn9h3
I paid less than that - because I got it through family based in China, so no exchange fee and no proxy service to pay luckily, so in the end about ~30 USD for each of the two units I ordered.
Should be here on Friday. I plan to mod them after testing one - keeping one for play here and the other as a gift for my nephews who loved that cheaper Famicom Mini clone I bought.
I mentioned I thought the price had gone up because it seems every time I see a new link on a forum or Instagram the price is more and more. I think they'll match the US demand.
I don't think this is going to fool anyone by the way - especially with the boot up menu and the emulated software menu. I am interested to mod it, but how can it be Hackchi?
When you get yours L___E___T can you post some inside shots of the clone,would love to see how it was engineered.
I should get it this Friday, and be able to open it up in time for the weekend hopefully.
I think the welcome screen is LG monitor welcome screen, and has no relation to the nes mini.
Post Merge: July 11, 2017, 06:14:47 am
I share another 2 videos :bub:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0gZ6OwIPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV04tc0MAQg
i dont know because the monitor seem to be on before and lg what i know never have such a ugly welcome screen on there monitors...but i can have wrong.
Hey Guys, New to the forum although i'm not much of a forum guy i'd say this is my first post ever :)
Anyway i was introduced to this find by L___E___T some weeks back through instagram so i took the plunge and bought myself 2 which turned up this morning.
Overall i'd say it is a pretty good clone on the bases of all the moulding as long as you don't receive it with handling defects (deep scratch in one & printing is off a bit). The software is a little glitchy (with god awful splashscreens), more so at the menu than anywhere else with lag about a minute in, games seem to play fine but you will somewhat notice the quality is not fantastic
Another thing i noticed when i opened the unit was there was no heatsink and boards components are flipped to that of the original
Here are some pictures below
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2hpq1y0.jpg)
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/wldrx3.jpg)
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/atvub5.jpg)
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/hwh7jq.jpg)
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/xohy08.jpg)
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/o90m5h.jpg)
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2lrf2d.jpg)
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/28jvgh3.jpg)
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/qrhrmo.jpg)
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/6itmyd.jpg)
And a brief video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9iqjHwKU8U
Many Thanks :mario:
Fantastic! thank for the update :)
Probably not...but maybe it's slow down because lack of heat sink on the chip?
Yes that's sort of what i thought, lack of heat sink may be causing this issue
But then i noticed that the lag would kick in around half way through the background audio, as soon as the track completes and cycles to repeat the lag goes away so there seems to be some other issue because this happens over and over through audio cycle. Another note the menu audio is super sharp with practically no base
i did not experience any lag or audio issue noted above during gameplay although i haven't tested them all
Listed Games Have been tested for around 5-10mins of play:
Balloon Fight
Bubble Bobble
Castlevania (Background Music can glitch out)
Castlevania II-Simon's Quest
Donkey Kong
Donkey KongJr
DOUBLE DRAGON II-THE REVENGE
Dr. Mario
Excitebike
FINAL FANTASY
Galaga
GHOSTIS'N GOBLINS
GRADIUS
Ice Climber
Kid Icarus
Kirby's Adventure
Mario Bros
Mega Man 2 (Missing Sounds/SFX)
Metroid
Ninja Gaiden
PAC-MAN
Punch-Out!Featuring Mr
Star Tropics
SUPER C
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros 2 (Faster Speed)
Super Mario Bros 3 (Faster Speed)
TECMO BOWL
The Legend of Zelda
Zelda II- The Adventure of Link
:bomb:
I am grateful for the info and many thanks :)
I still wait for my order, but i dont get the retail box, where did you bought from?, i order it from ali.
Do you know if the original nes mini controllers works on this?
About the speeded up gameplay, i guess they have used pal 50hz roms games on a ntsc 60hz system.
I hope it can be hacked or something to put on your own games :)
Yes you should receive it exactly as mine since they did not describe whether there would be original packaging, i'm pretty sure there was only 1 listing on ali express for this product at the time which has now been removed unless yours was actually a different product link.
I don't see why the original or aftermarket controllers wouldn't work but i am unable to test
Here is the product link below (Now Dead)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Professional-System-For-NES-Classic-TV-Video-Game-Console-Mini-Version-Built-in-30-Games/32816814300.html
You are probably correct about the speed but i cannot confirm this
Sure swapping out the software would be great
Here's what happens when the device is connected via usb to a pc
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/zwawzp.jpg)
(http://oi63.tinypic.com/2lm7z2o.jpg)
On the pc a drive appears but it is inaccessible (shadowed out)
I tried hakchi as a long shot to no avail :pow:
ah nice to hear! yepp same seller but they told me they dont ship with the box because it gonna be to expensive, nice to hear they still did, maby they dont want to say it because they dont know who asking ::)
Still, something happen when you connect it to pc, maby its a good start.
Wait and see if someone find a way to crack it ;)
Quote from: Bebop on July 11, 2017, 12:41:25 pm
I am grateful for the info and many thanks :)
I still wait for my order, but i dont get the retail box, where did you bought from?, i order it from ali.
Do you know if the original nes mini controllers works on this?
About the speeded up gameplay, i guess they have used pal 50hz roms games on a ntsc 60hz system.
I hope it can be hacked or something to put on your own games :)
It cannot be hacked (as it's not really a NES Classic), the controller ports are also different, so you cannot use official Nintendo controllers or any of the aftermarkets with it either. It's just built to resemble a NES Classic but doesn't use official controller ports, nor the same board specs.
You know crack it and hacking dont mean thats is all aboute nintento products when i speak and as obirux write, that hakchi dont work on the clone but i can assure you that is hackable someway or another but not with hakchi.
But you maby can have right about the controller...we well see when it comes.
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@obirux
It seems to be a Samsung 512Mb DDR SDRAM chip if the markings are right.
Samsung K4H511638C-UCB3
http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/98586/SAMSUNG/K4H511638C-UCB3.html
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 11, 2017, 04:12:46 pm
Quote from: Bebop on July 11, 2017, 12:41:25 pm
I am grateful for the info and many thanks :)
I still wait for my order, but i dont get the retail box, where did you bought from?, i order it from ali.
Do you know if the original nes mini controllers works on this?
About the speeded up gameplay, i guess they have used pal 50hz roms games on a ntsc 60hz system.
I hope it can be hacked or something to put on your own games :)
It cannot be hacked (as it's not really a NES Classic), the controller ports are also different, so you cannot use official Nintendo controllers or any of the aftermarkets with it either. It's just built to resemble a NES Classic but doesn't use official controller ports, nor the same board specs.
Yes The Uninvited Gremlin may be correct the internal hardware of both the console and the controller are different, there is a slim chance that may not be possible and for sure beyond my scope of understanding but i will remain optimistic never the less.
Has the controller port already been tested with an original or aftermarket mini classic controller?
If not i can try to order one in
I also updated the array of photos with extra shots of the internals of the controller
:star:
Guaranteed real controllers won't be compatible since the pin out is different on the controller plugs. With time though you might be able to hack the software and fix the issues, heck maybe you can remove the controller plugs and replace them with an authentic Nintendo ones (or even build an adapter using the plug from the supplied controller?) to make it a more authentic clone?
Very happy that Obirux registered and posted all of this info - it saves me ripping it apart and I would say he knows what he's looking at based on his range of mods. All options considered, I will probably gut mine and install a Raspberry Pi3 in it complete with a custom suite of Retropie and USB hookups. It is a good price just for the shell alone I think, and I have a Famicom Mini I can mod with Hackchi for some consistency.
I think the clones are a perfect candidate for an awesome Raspberry Pi console. They just aren't well built enough to make a suitable replication of the actual NES Classic.
My units have now arrived to my country so now its only a few days to get it delivered ;D
obirux,
Thank you SO much for posting a detailed breakdown on this clone.
By any chance, do you have a Wii Classic Controller sitting around you could plug in and test?
How does the controller feel? Is it pretty close to an NES controller or does it feel significantly different/cheaper?
(Also, thanks for listing the game titles verbatim....GHOSTIS and the cut off Punch-Out title got me good. ;D )
Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 13, 2017, 04:42:57 pm
obirux,
Thank you SO much for posting a detailed breakdown on this clone.
By any chance, do you have a Wii Classic Controller sitting around you could plug in and test?
How does the controller feel? Is it pretty close to an NES controller or does it feel significantly different/cheaper?
(Also, thanks for listing the game titles verbatim....GHOSTIS and the cut off Punch-Out title got me good. ;D )
No Problem happy to help
Unfortunately i do not have a wii classic controller lying around to test if it works although i have made some more discoveries with the controller.
It appears the one i originally opened had a pin that was half snapped which i didn't notice at the time (as it functioned Correctly) and is actually supplying the controllers VDD (top middle pin).
So i looked at the other controller with my second unit and low and behold there are 5 pins so i tested each pin to figure out what was what.
Added a Pinout diagram for the New Nes Mini Classic clone below
also they snipped a wire which is not in use but is connected on the port side Pin 1 (5core cable)
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/34q9yt1.jpg)
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/2lwb346.jpg)
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/34i1isx.jpg)
I'd say the controller itself is the best part of the unit.
Feels nice and clicky and responds very well (surprised how clicky the d-pad is), although not too sure how long the silicone pads will last only time will tell and it was pretty on par with my 8bitdo Nes controller.
Only let down is printing defects.
I think that is their flaw overall in the look of the product, not much or enough care taken on the printing side or method(s)
Haha yes i thought i'd be as accurate as possible even with the few strange titles :crazy:
;D
If someone able to read Chinese, then should be understand what the following picture said.
The supplier mentioned it is possible to hack this machine and adds new games. :'(
(https://s12.postimg.org/ltu5m26wd/Screenshot_2017-07-14-22-13-13.png)
obirux, thanks for the detailed and insightful reply. Definitely curious how the pins match up with the Nintendo model. The Nintendo version has 5 pins, I believe (and you can tell from motherboard shots that each controller is connected with six wires), so something has definitely been changed, unless they had, like, three grounds or something!
Edit: Looking over the pinouts for how a Wii Classic Controller is supposed to connect here, it doesn't look too promising, but I'm no electronics expert in the slightest:
http://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/brd_extenmote/index.php
I was worried the pinout I linked wasn't accurate and wouldn't work with the NES Classic Mini, but apparently they got the chip/adapter working with a software update which I imagine does not change the pinouts..
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 14, 2017, 07:26:39 am
If someone able to read Chinese, then should be understand what the following picture said.
The supplier mentioned it is possible to hack this machine and adds new games. :'(
Edit: And apparently it's not a broken image anymore? Maybe you have to visit the site directly once before it works? I dunno.
Original below:
Your imgpost post link is broken somehow, so I took the liberty of snipping out anything personally identifying and put the relevant portion here:
(http://i.imgur.com/1oPJ3cm.png)
Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 14, 2017, 07:33:01 am
obirux, thanks for the detailed and insightful reply. Definitely curious how the pins match up with the Nintendo model. The Nintendo version has 5 pins, I believe (and you can tell from motherboard shots that each controller is connected with six wires), so something has definitely been changed, unless they had, like, three grounds or something!
Edit: Looking over the pinouts for how a Wii Classic Controller is supposed to connect here, it doesn't look too promising, but I'm no electronics expert in the slightest:
http://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/brd_extenmote/index.php
I was worried the pinout I linked wasn't accurate and wouldn't work with the NES Classic Mini, but apparently they got the chip/adapter working with a software update which I imagine does not change the pinouts..
8) , i do know that the the original nes controller supplied with the classic nes mini has 4 core connections so yes as you said on the motherboard side it is most likely doubled up pins/cables.
Could have originally been to support different pin setups or for some other manufacturing reason
Here's a pic of the original mini nes controller
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/f0pyjd.jpg)
on another note I've added a brief unboxing if it peeks anybody's interest via the link below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH9CJnraS8M
:diskkun:
Pin "4" are never in used in original controller and i wonder if they get rid of pin "3" (3.3v)(or vise versa with 1) or are not in used to because pin "1" (3.3v) are what i understand same as pin "3"? so if its right what i assumed its only used 4 pins...but i can have wrong about that so correct me if I'm assumed wrong.
(http://i.imgur.com/fc7f0CV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1k1ubNu.png)
So it looks like the only functional differences between the official pinout and this pinout are:
"1" is 3.3v (official), Null in clone
"2" is SCL in official, SCK in clone
"3" is 3.3v (official) VDD in clone (same thing??)
"1" is 3.3v (official), Null in clone
"2" is SCL in official, SCK in clone
"3" is 3.3v (official) VDD in clone (same thing??)
1) Null (indicating that something has no value)
2) I dont know whats the difference between SCL and SCK? because when i see a pda file of the connector from another site(in the picture below), it says SCK so maby its a typo from that picture i gave you? or maby two types of type designation but mean the same thing?
3) VDD is the supply voltage so i guess its mean same thing...?
Any how thank you again for supply all info, pictures and clips, its interesting to speculate but we don't know for sure before we test another controller if its work on this device, then we know for sure :)
If everything goes well with the postoffice, i get mine next week so if you not have chance to try a another controller before that, i try it out because have the original and third party controller to test with.
And from yesterday today i have seen they have removed the listing of this replica of the Alibaba site...seems they clean out house...at least from sellers that ship world wide...
(http://i.imgur.com/Fy3uqcF.png)
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Quote from: Bebop on July 14, 2017, 02:04:00 pm
"1" is 3.3v (official), Null in clone
"2" is SCL in official, SCK in clone
"3" is 3.3v (official) VDD in clone (same thing??)
1) Null (indicating that something has no value)
2) I dont know whats the difference between SCL and SCK? because when i see a pda file of the connector from another site(in the picture below), it says SCK so maby its a typo from that picture i gave you? or maby just two type designation but means the same thing?
3) VDD is the supply voltage so i guess its mean same thing...?
Any how thank you again for supply all info, pictures and clips, its interesting to speculate but we don't know for sure before we test another controller if its work on this device, then we know for sure :)
If everything goes well with the postoffice, i get mine next week so if you not have chance to try a another controller before that, i try it out because have the original and third party controller to test with.
And from yesterday today i have seen they have removed the listing of this replica of the Alibaba site...seems they clean out house...at least from sellers that ship world wide...
(http://i.imgur.com/Fy3uqcF.png)
Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 14, 2017, 12:59:25 pm
So it looks like the only functional differences between the official pinout and this pinout are:
"1" is 3.3v (official), Null in clone
"2" is SCL in official, SCK in clone
"3" is 3.3v (official) VDD in clone (same thing??)
From what i am aware
1. Yes i have used NULL to indicate no value / inactive
2.
SCL Serial clock Line
SCK Serial clock
so i would assume its the same
3.
VCC Supply Voltage
VDD Supply Voltage
No difference
if pins 1 and 3 are shared you could also assume it's all the same
I will try and test it tomorrow with an aftermarket nes mini controller since the official ones are hard to get a hold of, i'll also see if i can source a wii classic controller
:P
Great :) nice nice i am so curious if another controller works with this one.
I think is weird if not because they only ship it with one controller and china are mass distribute of third partys nes mini replica controllers but are not compatible with this one...but but we well see :)
Mine arrived yesterday so I will do the test with a few classic controllers I have here. I'll add that in when I have time to test it - below is a general review, I'm afraid it's not great and there are clear problems with these.
Overall, I was really disappointed with the software and the whole setup, the main point being it's not at all HD, its 240P or so resolution, so everything is really blurred like composite. The widescreen options are nice, but there are serious issues with the menu software that means at best lag in the menu when browsing and at worst the whole menu slows to a crawl.
The controller feels quite nice actually - much better than with other clones, just the d-pad feels a bit light and twitchy. After other clones, it's not bad.
I couldn't recommend this though unless you really only want the NES shell, and even then it's not as good as the legit version, you'll see the differences in moulding and precision. But it's OK for an alternative and looks better than any 3D printed shell you'll find, I'd confidently say. Nintendo Entertainment System logo is wonky as Obirux mentioned of course :)
The box is very hard to distinguish from a real one, in case someone is for some reason missing a box. I haven't compared side by side but there are little to no tell tale signs it's fake, it just lacks that final quality of finish.
Oh, my biggest annoyance was that the HDMI cable didn't even work, so it took ages to get the bloody thing to work in the first place. I thought I had a dud at first, even though you can see the little red LED light up (after ages).
A shame overall, because they had the potential to sell a lot of these, but I think people will wise up after a few reviews saying the same thing and the demand will shrink away. It's no substitute for the real thing and I'll put a Pi3 inside this one I think, replacing the controller ports and whatever else. Not sure what to do with the other version just yet, my nephews might really enjoy it but I know they'll like a Pi version much more as well all the same.
Now I realised that the same manufacturer, come out 2 version of products:
Finished products (genuine nes minis) RMB 930/ each.
(https://s14.postimg.org/ktb535i5t/Screenshot_2017-07-15-19-15-42.png)
Byproduct/ Scrap item RMB 260/each
(https://s17.postimg.org/mef2dp7pr/Screenshot_2017-07-15-19-15-29.png)
I might buy one more 'genuine' but if I'm honest, I don't think the quality will be any different, the EU version is clearly a copy, it's not an inferior byproduct or prototype version... I since noticed some clear differences on the packaging.
Quote from: L___E___T on July 15, 2017, 05:11:01 am
I might buy one more 'genuine' but if I'm honest, I don't think the quality will be any different, the EU version is clearly a copy, it's not an inferior byproduct or prototype version... I since noticed some clear differences on the packaging.
They claimed this is the high quality version available?
(https://s22.postimg.org/frm25xs0x/1500122455569.jpg)
Ask them to take a picture of the box side that says HDMI on it :)
Looks they have taken a picture of the original...
Have you ask why its a quality version? have they updatet with blue plastic bag around the cord ::) polyetenfoam plastic around the console ::) updated the software ??? ??
What have they made better to justified a increased price of 670 yuan?? :/
Its easy to claim its a quality version when they not tell why it is...and 920 chinese yuan...yeah right...
Those items exists in suppliers websites (1688.com) long ago, I just didn't aware it.
So I believe they are OEM factory, those items not pass the quality control, sold as poor quality goods with cheap price. :(
Well its confirmed nes mini controllers will work on this i picked up the only one aftermarket controller that seems to be selling on the high street
Turbo controller For Nintendo Classic Mini by gioteck, comes with a 3m long cable ;D, cool thing is the turbo function works too
Video link below the Image
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/orq8h1.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VpL4m8w9iM
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 15, 2017, 05:51:44 am
Quote from: L___E___T on July 15, 2017, 05:11:01 am
I might buy one more 'genuine' but if I'm honest, I don't think the quality will be any different, the EU version is clearly a copy, it's not an inferior byproduct or prototype version... I since noticed some clear differences on the packaging.
They claimed this is the high quality version available?
(https://s22.postimg.org/frm25xs0x/1500122455569.jpg)
I think it may be high quality in the sense that they are not being as sloppy with the printing and adding extra packaging to the units. But what about the software as L___E___T mentioned we know its is downgraded regardless of HDMI, and are the bugs fixed at the menu? Playing games seems to look more pleasant at 4:3 but there are still sloppy titles and bugs with some roms or incorrect roms used. if high quality eradicates all this and some sort of software is made available to the public to add roms or tinker with things this would be great for the extra price
Otherwise the lower price units are fine for those Raspberry Pi tinkerers
:D
yeeshen33 Sorry but i dont know if i understand you right but i am sceptic about its a oem factory version, if its was a "quality version" why do they show a poor made controller in the pictures of this "quality version" that are included?
But thats only my opinion :) so dont take that i am nagging on you, we only discuss how you see things and how i see things and what can be true or false :)
Picture of the "quality version" from the website:
(http://i.imgur.com/ac2Saue.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VsV65io.jpg)
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Great news! then we can assumed the original controller works to :) thanks again obirux :)
I see your point, :)
But I think it is quite usual for worker use the fake controller to test the machine, so it is not a big deal. ;D
Quote from: L___E___T on July 15, 2017, 02:54:11 am
Mine arrived yesterday so I will do the test with a few classic controllers I have here. I'll add that in when I have time to test it - below is a general review, I'm afraid it's not great and there are clear problems with these.
Overall, I was really disappointed with the software and the whole setup, the main point being it's not at all HD, its 240P or so resolution, so everything is really blurred like composite. The widescreen options are nice, but there are serious issues with the menu software that means at best lag in the menu when browsing and at worst the whole menu slows to a crawl.
The controller feels quite nice actually - much better than with other clones, just the d-pad feels a bit light and twitchy. After other clones, it's not bad.
I couldn't recommend this though unless you really only want the NES shell, and even then it's not as good as the legit version, you'll see the differences in moulding and precision. But it's OK for an alternative and looks better than any 3D printed shell you'll find, I'd confidently say. Nintendo Entertainment System logo is wonky as Obirux mentioned of course :)
The box is very hard to distinguish from a real one, in case someone is for some reason missing a box. I haven't compared side by side but there are little to no tell tale signs it's fake, it just lacks that final quality of finish.
Oh, my biggest annoyance was that the HDMI cable didn't even work, so it took ages to get the bloody thing to work in the first place. I thought I had a dud at first, even though you can see the little red LED light up (after ages).
A shame overall, because they had the potential to sell a lot of these, but I think people will wise up after a few reviews saying the same thing and the demand will shrink away. It's no substitute for the real thing and I'll put a Pi3 inside this one I think, replacing the controller ports and whatever else. Not sure what to do with the other version just yet, my nephews might really enjoy it but I know they'll like a Pi version much more as well all the same.
L___E___T are the picture in game bad to?
Can someone contact the manufacturer/developer and try and ask for a new firmware with fixed bugs and tools to update the software, at least software tools to get inside.
Yes the picture is bad - it's just too blurry to be enjoyable. The official NES mini is 720p I think and I'd love it to be 1080, but it's OK. But this thing, it's blurrier than a standard AV Famicom to me (although I play only retro games on a CRT and never on an HDTV). The games aren't laggy like the menu, but I can tell you that I didn't want to play it again at all, honestly. I don't think updating the software will help FWIW, it feels underpowered...
ah ok to bad and so shame...they could have at least built it decent... :(
Bebop, Chinese companies only build clone hardware to look nice for sales reasons. They never build it to function well, otherwise where's the profit margin? The only clone I've ever received from China that was of a decent quality was Sport Vii, the pseudo-clone of Wii.
Do you think it is possible to use real Minis PCB in the fake mini shells,
I would like to like to replace it with those used real PCB. ???
You can buy a Raspberry Pi 3 for it, but you wouldn't be able to find just a PCB from a NES Classic. You could buy a loose system for $130 though rather then the usual $250 and just place it in your clone box?
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 16, 2017, 05:50:14 am
Bebop, Chinese companies only build clone hardware to look nice for sales reasons. They never build it to function well, otherwise where's the profit margin? The only clone I've ever received from China that was of a decent quality was Sport Vii, the pseudo-clone of Wii.
The Uninvited Gremlin yepp sadly but true.
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i guess it going up on the shell as a display units or put in a pi later :- any how i have the real one and have pre-order the snes mini so I may be happy about that.
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Have someone notice that if you now seach for nes or nintendo on aliexpress, nothing shows up even if i know controllers, games and accessories that are still up for sale and have nes or nintendo words in description? or is just in my browser?
I'd just install a Raspberry Pi and wire the power with led to the system, then add a extender for the HDMI and MicroUSB power, then add a couple USB ports. It would look very factory still but actually be quite amazing.
;D ;D ;D this was kinda funny ;D ;D ;D
I think the 500 in game clone and the 30 in game knockoff made a baby ;D
This at least dont fool any body to be a real one ;D
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HDMI-Out-Mini-TV-Handheld-Game-Console-Video-Game-Console-For-Nes-Games-Built-in-600/32823531998.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.6.cvtilk (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/HDMI-Out-Mini-TV-Handheld-Game-Console-Video-Game-Console-For-Nes-Games-Built-in-600/32823531998.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.6.cvtilk)
(http://i.imgur.com/Cjn5UeS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/p4Rr65K.png)
Post Merge: July 16, 2017, 07:56:38 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 16, 2017, 07:37:40 am
I'd just install a Raspberry Pi and wire the power with led to the system, then add a extender for the HDMI and MicroUSB power, then add a couple USB ports. It would look very factory still but actually be quite amazing.
Nice nice i maby do that to then :)
Quote from: Bebop on July 16, 2017, 07:42:02 am
I think the 500 in game clone and the 30 in game knockoff made a baby ;D
This at least dont fool any body to be a real one ;D
Haha that new one is really messing with my head and equilibrium.
Its giving me serious vertigo and nausea
I wonder how the insides of this look
;D
Yea when i look on this its feel weird but the funniest thing is that they think people are gonna buy them for $99 that the most seller priced them for ;D except for this one in the link below that have them for sale right now for $36.
"Too late and wrong way on the hype train ;D"
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Mini-TV-Handheld-Game-Console-Video-Game-Console-For-Nes-Games-Whit-HDMI-Out/32820545187.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.272.UURMju (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-Mini-TV-Handheld-Game-Console-Video-Game-Console-For-Nes-Games-Whit-HDMI-Out/32820545187.html?spm=a2g0s.13010208.99999999.272.UURMju)
I think Nintendo have been really hard on some of these factories after the news got out that they copied the design.
Now that in itself is nothing new - but it directly contradicts their 'not enough parts' statement so adds some pressure..
You can now buy the 30 built in game knockoff on Dhgate but for $84 for a single unit ::) at least the give you free shipping with DHL that are kinda fast :)
http://www.dhgate.com/product/dhl-nintendo-nes-classic-edition-console/402183489.html?recinfo=8,108,9#cppd-9-5|null:108:r1913932903 (http://www.dhgate.com/product/dhl-nintendo-nes-classic-edition-console/402183489.html?recinfo=8,108,9#cppd-9-5|null:108:r1913932903)
Quote from: L___E___T on July 16, 2017, 09:09:24 am
Now that in itself is nothing new - but it directly contradicts their 'not enough parts' statement so adds some pressure..
When did they claim that? I thought their official excuse was "we didn't feel like making more" or "we didn't know people would want it".
It could be a case of chimes whispers, but I heard they also said there weren't enough parts to make them anyway (thereby swerving the pressure to just reconsider and make more considering the demand). Then again, could just be something I saw someone quote on Nintendo Age, that was never truly said. It obviously doesn't hold any water in any case :)
Hi guys im new here
I have bought one of these to when i first got it it did trick me untill i booted and the interface was shocking definitely not hd so i then striped it down to find the board was not real so i decided to remove the board keep the power switch and ports and then put in a pi zero w £5 and im trying to do emulationstation theme for the pi zero i didn't think the original would be up to it as i noticed lag on audio but without access to the board from pc just show format f:\in windows wouldn't be able to tell if it was just the audio file
From what i'm aware Nintendo didn't build the mini classic(s) as a major release and more in the bracket of a novelty toy with a focus or set production in mind
I think they didn't realise the market that was there or may be they did its anyone's guess, well they for sure know now ;D
Personally i think they already had a plan to release the 2 (or however many) mini classic(s) side by side and why they wanted to stop production on one and move to the other
Don't quote me on any of the above, just how i see it played out :bub:
If anyone has an Official nes mini classic i'm still in the market for one :-[
I see they must have developed the board as these and the ports are the only big differences that might be why there not put in the real board can we wire the ports to usb
You might be better off swapping out the connectors with USB ports altogether. I really doubt those could be made to be USB compatible without a special adapter on them (Mayflash's, for example)
No one covered this before, but the video output on this almost-real-looking clone is just 480/SD, not 720p like Nintendo's? I expect that nonsense from the 500-in-1s that probably just have an NES-on-a-chip and an HDMI converter on the PCB, but the one with th navigable menu and all is SD, too?
Lupin the Third, this was actually discussed earlier and it's not even 480p, it's 240p the lowest grade ever.
Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 16, 2017, 05:30:54 pm
You might be better off swapping out the connectors with USB ports altogether. I really doubt those could be made to be USB compatible without a special adapter on them (Mayflash's, for example)
No one covered this before, but the video output on this almost-real-looking clone is just 480/SD, not 720p like Nintendo's? I expect that nonsense from the 500-in-1s that probably just have an NES-on-a-chip and an HDMI converter on the PCB, but the one with th navigable menu and all is SD, too?
Are the picture quality like this on this hdmi famicom clone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSzBG2U9eU0
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 16, 2017, 05:39:51 pm
Lupin the Third, this was actually discussed earlier and it's not even 480p, it's 240p the lowest grade ever.
I thought I'd followed all the posts pretty closely since obirux got it. Where was this discussed?
Quote from: Bebop on July 16, 2017, 07:42:02 am
;D ;D ;D this was kinda funny ;D ;D ;D
Hopefully the next project is AV famicom mini. Or nes top loader mini. ;
THE SELLER CONFIRM TO ME THE CLONE MACHINE IS HACKABLE ,
YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH IT!!
HE WILL SHARES THE SECRET WHEN HE IS FREE , HOPEFULLY WE REALLY CAN FLASH IT WITH THE REAL SOFTWARE. :pow:
Just to add, mine definitely looks more 240P than 480P - but I only play retro consoles on CTR so it's hard for me to be 100% certain. Let's just say the picture is awfully blurred...
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 16, 2017, 06:53:30 pm
Quote from: Bebop on July 16, 2017, 07:42:02 am
;D ;D ;D this was kinda funny ;D ;D ;D
Hopefully the next project is AV famicom mini. Or nes top loader mini. ;
THE SELLER CONFIRM TO ME THE CLONE MACHINE IS HACKABLE ,
YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH IT!!
HE WILL SHARES THE SECRET WHEN HE IS FREE , HOPEFULLY WE REALLY CAN FLASH IT WITH THE REAL SOFTWARE. :pow:
Thanks yeeshen33 for news, update the info when you know more :)
Would be great if we can hack this and see about getting 720p
Im good with graphics and skinning from searching the chips ones a bios chip ones 256ram from what i can find ..
The interface feels like xml
In Game
I'm personally no expert but from what i can see the games are being emulated at their original resolution 256 x 240 and then being blown up to fit an output of 1080 (tv displays it as 1080x1920), poor up-scaling?
Original Size
(http://oi65.tinypic.com/2j0yt7a.jpg)
The system has settings you can choose from at the menu under Display which are
Scale (Gives a 4:3 look Full scale)
Fullscreen (Scales to Full widescreen)
Original Size(Displays in original Resolution 256 x 240)
(http://oi64.tinypic.com/2i1pjes.jpg)
At the Menu
I'm still not too sure why the menu looks the worst. Could be the use of poor imagery (may be to stop the system lagging as its sub par)
If anything looks of good quality or sharp its the text and nothing else ???
It's all defiantly odd
Hope this is of any help and makes more sense to the tech savvy in this field
:diskkun:
Quote from: jonny555 on July 17, 2017, 03:40:11 am
Would be great if we can hack this and see about getting 720p
Im good with graphics and skinning from searching the chips ones a bios chip ones 256ram from what i can find ..
The interface feels like xml
Good news : The Clone is flashable.
Bad news: Even flash it , wont get any better results because of the hardware limitation.
They said it is a highest quality you can get , it is 64 bits.
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Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 15, 2017, 04:28:14 am
Now I realised that the same manufacturer, come out 2 version of products:
Finished products (genuine nes minis) RMB 930/ each.
(https://s14.postimg.org/ktb535i5t/Screenshot_2017-07-15-19-15-42.png)
THIS IS CONFIRMED REAL NES MINI
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 17, 2017, 03:54:32 am
Quote from: jonny555 on July 17, 2017, 03:40:11 am
Would be great if we can hack this and see about getting 720p
Im good with graphics and skinning from searching the chips ones a bios chip ones 256ram from what i can find ..
The interface feels like xml
Good news : The Clone is flashable.
Bad news: Even flash it , wont get any better results because of the hardware limitation.
They said it is a highest quality you can get , it is 64 bits.
Post Merge: July 17, 2017, 03:58:28 am
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 15, 2017, 04:28:14 am
Now I realised that the same manufacturer, come out 2 version of products:
Finished products (genuine nes minis) RMB 930/ each.
(https://s14.postimg.org/ktb535i5t/Screenshot_2017-07-15-19-15-42.png)
This is confirmed as real NES mini.
Fantastic any chance of getting them to release the flashing software?
What about the more "high quality" version you mentioned that they were charging more for, same hardware with limitations?
Great updates yeeshen33 :star:
Quote from: obirux on July 17, 2017, 04:02:15 am
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 17, 2017, 03:54:32 am
Quote from: jonny555 on July 17, 2017, 03:40:11 am
Would be great if we can hack this and see about getting 720p
Im good with graphics and skinning from searching the chips ones a bios chip ones 256ram from what i can find ..
The interface feels like xml
Good news : The Clone is flashable.
Bad news: Even flash it , wont get any better results because of the hardware limitation.
They said it is a highest quality you can get , it is 64 bits.
Post Merge: July 17, 2017, 03:58:28 am
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 15, 2017, 04:28:14 am
Now I realised that the same manufacturer, come out 2 version of products:
Finished products (genuine nes minis) RMB 930/ each.
(https://s14.postimg.org/ktb535i5t/Screenshot_2017-07-15-19-15-42.png)
This is confirmed as real NES mini.
Fantastic any chance of getting them to release the flashing software?
What about the more "high quality" version you mentioned that they were charging more for, same hardware with limitations?
Great updates yeeshen33 :star:
They didnt mention about high quality version, They just mentioned that priced at RMB 900 is genuine Nintendo products,.
I would take that 'genuine' with a very fine grain of salt'. I noticed several differences in the packaging too which shows they copied it, rather than reprinted boxes from the files & plates they would have had, if they produced them from the original print factory. Even if the computer parts manufacturer and paper printing vendors are separate, they're both going to be in Guangzhou / Guandong, China. I wouldn't risk it anyway.
One other note guys - please don't be tempted to buy anything coolbaby - my famicom mini clone is also branded coolbaby on the bottom and the quality is absolutely atrocious. The one with 400 or 500 games in.
yeeshen33: what do they mean with highest quality 64 bits?
Quote from: Bebop on July 17, 2017, 05:34:51 am
yeeshen33: what do they mean with highest quality 64 bits?
NOT SURE？
ah ok :)
Highest 64 bits if could find the emulator there using maybe
Swap out for a better one
Has anyone tried connecting to Linux pc to see if the file system shows up because windows see's it as some kind of storage system
I would think Windows/Mac would still see it as storage, but perhaps offer to format it once it was plugged in. I could be mistaken.
Obirux and/or L___E___T, any chance you tried various power/reset button holds and presses when you plugged it into USB to see if it did anything different?
#yeeshen33 Can you ask the seller if extra nintendo branded controller are gonna be sold separately.
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#obirux What shipping methods did you choose when you order it from aliexpress, the free one or did you pay for faster shipping?
Quote from: Bebop on July 17, 2017, 06:06:47 pm
#yeeshen33 Can you ask the seller if extra nintendo branded controller are gonna be sold separately.
Post Merge: July 17, 2017, 06:41:12 pm
#obirux What shipping methods did you choose when you order it from aliexpress, the free one or did you pay for faster shipping?
Anything is possible if contact the supplier personally , they even willing to sell me extra empty nes mini box just cny 8.00, which i know the empty box can sold in ebay around usd 30 each.
Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 17, 2017, 04:47:29 pm
I would think Windows/Mac would still see it as storage, but perhaps offer to format it once it was plugged in. I could be mistaken.
Obirux and/or L___E___T, any chance you tried various power/reset button holds and presses when you plugged it into USB to see if it did anything different?
Yes with the right cable it goes into a data mode but is inaccessible via windows exactly as you put it, i've tried with a reset button combo as you would with original when using hakchi but no difference.
Quote from: jonny555 on July 17, 2017, 09:41:02 am
Has anyone tried connecting to Linux pc to see if the file system shows up because windows see's it as some kind of storage system
Have also tried to see what may happen with linux but nothing was detected
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 18, 2017, 08:13:32 am
Quote from: Bebop on July 17, 2017, 06:06:47 pm
#yeeshen33 Can you ask the seller if extra nintendo branded controller are gonna be sold separately.
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#obirux What shipping methods did you choose when you order it from aliexpress, the free one or did you pay for faster shipping?
Anything is possible if contact the supplier personally , they even willing to sell me extra empty nes mini box just cny 8.00, which i know the empty box can sold in ebay around usd 30 each.
No News of software yeeshen33? :)
Quote from: obirux on July 18, 2017, 10:22:24 am
Quote from: Lupin the Third on July 17, 2017, 04:47:29 pm
I would think Windows/Mac would still see it as storage, but perhaps offer to format it once it was plugged in. I could be mistaken.
Obirux and/or L___E___T, any chance you tried various power/reset button holds and presses when you plugged it into USB to see if it did anything different?
Yes with the right cable it goes into a data mode but is inaccessible via windows exactly as you put it, i've tried with a reset button combo as you would with original when using hakchi but no difference.
Quote from: jonny555 on July 17, 2017, 09:41:02 am
Has anyone tried connecting to Linux pc to see if the file system shows up because windows see's it as some kind of storage system
Have also tried to see what may happen with linux but nothing was detected
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 18, 2017, 08:13:32 am
Quote from: Bebop on July 17, 2017, 06:06:47 pm
#yeeshen33 Can you ask the seller if extra nintendo branded controller are gonna be sold separately.
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#obirux What shipping methods did you choose when you order it from aliexpress, the free one or did you pay for faster shipping?
Anything is possible if contact the supplier personally , they even willing to sell me extra empty nes mini box just cny 8.00, which i know the empty box can sold in ebay around usd 30 each.
No News of software yeeshen33? :)
Too bad,
at the moment they won't release it, there are a lot of competitors in china try to clone its system , so to protect their own interest ,their superior reject my request.
Have got both mine today ;D did a unboxing video ;D
I am gonna load up a comparison and a gameplay video but must edit the video :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eDEoth3B4o
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But as they say before no 720p resolution but i think its ok, i like them for what they are :)
Quote from: obirux on July 18, 2017, 10:22:24 am
Quote from: jonny555 on July 17, 2017, 09:41:02 am
Has anyone tried connecting to Linux pc to see if the file system shows up because windows see's it as some kind of storage system
Have also tried to see what may happen with linux but nothing was detected
I just got mine delivered today, first thing I did was plug it into my Linux PC, and it wasn't exactly "nothing detected" it's just not seen as a mass storage device by KDE.
lsusb output gives the following:
Bus 001 Device 010: ID 10d6:1101 Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd D-Wave 2GB MP4 Player / AK1025 MP3/MP4 Player
My syslog also shows the following:
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.756038] usb 1-1.2: new high-speed USB device number 10 using ehci-pci
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.849913] usb 1-1.2: New USB device found, idVendor=10d6, idProduct=1101
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.849919] usb 1-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.849922] usb 1-1.2: Product: media-player
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.849925] usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: actions
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.849927] usb 1-1.2: SerialNumber: ㈱㐳㘵㠷㜸㔶㌴ㄲ
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.854097] usb-storage 1-1.2:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
Jul 19 17:32:43 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660365.854470] scsi8 : usb-storage 1-1.2:1.0
Jul 19 17:32:44 ThinkPad-T530 mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 10: "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.2"
Jul 19 17:32:44 ThinkPad-T530 mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 10 was not an MTP device
Jul 19 17:32:44 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660366.894639] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access actions media-player 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
Jul 19 17:32:44 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660366.894991] sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
Jul 19 17:32:44 ThinkPad-T530 kernel: [1660366.898845] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
HOWEVER, my attempt to look at /dev/sdb come up short.
fdisk: unable to open /dev/sdb: No medium found
so, there's SOMETHING being detected by the OS, it's just not aware of a way to use it.
Nice thanks for sharing Rupert :)
I wonder if it's possible to find a Windows (or Linux?) driver for the AK1025 MP3 player that would allow interaction with this device.
Edit: Speaking of which, this chip must be ancient. I found a listing for a driver or firmware or something in a thread from 2009.
Edit2: Uh, what happened to the reply after this post by The Uninvited Gremlin about how the chip was from old Chinese MP3 players that were never hacked?
I have try a original controller on the knockoff and it works with no problem, sadly my wireless third party dont work but i guess it have something about the missing pin in the port..
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Nes Mini Knockoff Clone Comparison With The Original :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmVHbDx-Ixs
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Picture and comparison with a orginal Nes Mini:
http://imgur.com/a/jQKT1
That is a really comprehensive comparison. I noticed a few things you didn't and you noticed a good few things I missed.
This is an interesting one - because my EU NES mini packaging does not have these legal lines on the side for the games.
(http://i.imgur.com/V8WV2QQ.jpg)
Before you wonder, I pre-ordered a first run as soon as they went up, so it must be a first pressing and they added those in later.
Quote from: L___E___T on July 20, 2017, 03:04:55 am
That is a really comprehensive comparison. I noticed a few things you didn't and you noticed a good few things I missed.
This is an interesting one - because my EU NES mini packaging does not have these legal lines on the side for the games.
(http://i.imgur.com/V8WV2QQ.jpg)
Before you wonder, I pre-ordered a first run as soon as they went up, so it must be a first pressing and they added those in later.
They fixed the splash screen issue in the latest version , guess they will gradually fixed up all the issues.
haha thanks and to you to L___E___T, it was like...
(https://i.imgur.com/CwdG2zz.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi everyone ! ;D
I'm French and I would like to buy a nes clone but it is very hard...
I don't find this model with an international shipping.
I have search on Aliexpress (but they do not sell this model), on Taobao it is the same problem...
Do you have any advice, websites, where I could take one?
Thank you
Quote from: albator651 on July 20, 2017, 07:02:37 am
Hi everyone ! ;D
I'm French and I would like to buy a nes clone but it is very hard...
I don't find this model with an international shipping.
I have search on Aliexpress (but they do not sell this model), on Taobao it is the same problem...
Do you have any advice, websites, where I could take one?
Thank you
Alibaba $60
Eur version:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EUR-version-of-the-N-ES_60705566439.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.10.0ZzBu8
Usa version:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/USA-version-TV-console-with-30_60705256086.html?spm=a2700.details.maylikever.10.6b055f1eJdsWuR
thanks a lot, I will try ;)
Hello!
The clone I've received, comes without home screen, but have the lag flaws, maybe not as bad as in other drives I've seen in some videos. I have noticed two points on the motherboard that seem previously used to solder some type of bridge or component, perhaps necessary to record the firmware. Used by the manufacturer. These points with solder remains are shown in the photograph I attached, I have done some tests, and joining both points, there is an electric bridge that works as the power on control button. I would like to know if other units that you have, contain tin remains in these points, or other points.
Thanks!
You can see completely the motherboard of my clone in the video that I uploaded to youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRKyFg2rID8&t=450s
8:25*
To all there have got this replica...do you regret your purchase?
Even with the flaws and bugs...i kinda like it :) i like it for what it is and what it is not :)
Does anyone know if the clone controllers will work with a real NES Classic? If so I would like to find a set somehow as they would probably be infinitely more valuable then these shite replica consoles.
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 20, 2017, 12:18:28 pm
Does anyone know if the clone controllers will work with a real NES Classic? If so I would like to find a set somehow as they would probably be infinitely more valuable then these shite replica consoles.
They don't work, it's a shame......
Quote from: Bebop on July 20, 2017, 12:12:06 pm
To all there have got this replica...do you regret your purchase?
Even with the flaws and bugs...i kinda like it :) i like it for what it is and what it is not :)
Its rare and I like to have it, but not for the cost of $ 70, I hope the seller on aliexpress will give me back half of the money that I have stuck. Because this clone should not cost more than 40 $
Well that's unfortunate and yes these are built from $10 Chinese MP4 player guts, same chipset just a bigger board. These are never going to be very good consoles, as a real NES Classic can emulate even N64 (though not well but the same as a Raspberry Pi 3 would).
NES Classic = Nintendos version of Raspberry Pi 3
NES Classic Clone = Chinese MP4 player repurposed as a 240p NES emulation box (Not exactly the same as the MP4 Player board pictured but definitely built on a similar design)
Quote from: thibor on July 20, 2017, 12:25:49 pm
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 20, 2017, 12:18:28 pm
Does anyone know if the clone controllers will work with a real NES Classic? If so I would like to find a set somehow as they would probably be infinitely more valuable then these shite replica consoles.
They don't work, it's a shame......
Quote from: Bebop on July 20, 2017, 12:12:06 pm
To all there have got this replica...do you regret your purchase?
Even with the flaws and bugs...i kinda like it :) i like it for what it is and what it is not :)
Its rare and I like to have it, but not for the cost of $ 70, I hope the seller on aliexpress will give me back half of the money that I have stuck. Because this clone should not cost more than 40 $
Yeah that i agree of, $70 its to expensive it should have been like $40 as you say.
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 20, 2017, 12:56:23 pm
NES Classic Clone = Chinese MP4 player repurposed as a 240p NES emulation box (Not exactly the same as the MP4 Player board pictured but definitely built on a similar design)
I'm not exactly sure where the 240p part comes from. Sure it's not as good as the real thing, but my television is reporting 720p input when using the clone.
If SMB3 ran at the right speed, I think I'd be happy with it. The video output is a bit, poor, but compared to my rpi3 retropie box, the input lag is nonexistent.
Someone already did a test that showed it was 240P, stretched up to 720 if that makes sense. It's not crazy blurred for you? I was shocked at how bad it was haha...
Outside of the menu that is - the menu is 720P from the looks of it, but I booted up Kirby and was appalled at the picture quality. Almost as bad as straight composite.
Quote from: Rupert on July 20, 2017, 02:21:04 pm
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 20, 2017, 12:56:23 pm
NES Classic Clone = Chinese MP4 player repurposed as a 240p NES emulation box (Not exactly the same as the MP4 Player board pictured but definitely built on a similar design)
I'm not exactly sure where the 240p part comes from. Sure it's not as good as the real thing, but my television is reporting 720p input when using the clone.
If SMB3 ran at the right speed, I think I'd be happy with it. The video output is a bit, poor, but compared to my rpi3 retropie box, the input lag is nonexistent.
If I plug my AV Famicom into an upscaler HD converter then my tv will report 1080p, that doesn't mean it's 1080p. It's just sending a HD signal towards your tv, the clone is 240p converted to a 720p signal, probably by that extra chip on the board that I cannot identify.
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on July 20, 2017, 03:45:21 pm
If I plug my AV Famicom into an upscaler HD converter then my tv will report 1080p, that doesn't mean it's 1080p. It's just sending a HD signal towards your tv, the clone is 240p converted to a 720p signal, probably by that extra chip on the board that I cannot identify.
Right, the games themselves are originally 240p. Anything larger is upscaling in one way or another, by your definition. The original NES Classic mini is upscaling, by your definition. I just confirmed, my TV is receiving a 720p signal even during game play.
No, it doesn't look good, but it's only a novelty to me anyway. Likely the result of poor emulation, poor video drivers or simply being underpowered (or all 3). What do you expect from a Chinese knockoff?
If we can't hack & improve it, I'll eventually swap the board out for a raspberry pi, hopefully keeping the controller ports somehow.
Technically NES Classic upsteps the image to fit while the clone is just stretching the image to fit. It's quite a bit different.
Quote from: Rupert on July 20, 2017, 05:08:51 pm
Anything larger is upscaling in one way or another, by your definition. The original NES Classic mini is upscaling, by your definition. I just confirmed, my TV is receiving a 720p signal even during game play.
That's the difference right there - the NES Classic Mini upscales (nearest neighbour), so you get a 240 resolution game, except each pixel is tripled in size. This gives you a crisp 720P native image.
The clone isn't doing that - it's just taking a 240P image and stretching it to fill a 720P space (bilinear). So each pixel is blended into those around it.
The difference is illustrated below. NES Classic Mini approach is on the right, what the clone does is on the left:
(https://love2d.org/w/images/8/8f/ComparisonFilters.png)
Exactly L___E___T! You have explained it in a way that anyone will understand because you included visuals.
So basically the clone is the same as hooking up a nes/famicom via composite to a hdtv,that's what it sounds like to me.
Quote from: Pikkon on July 21, 2017, 06:31:07 am
So basically the clone is the same as hooking up a nes/famicom via composite to a hdtv,that's what it sounds like to me.
When i hook up my originl nes with composite on a hdtv and compare it, its give you(not amazing) but cleaner picture because composite itself dont give you a good picture on a modern tv.
Quote from: Pikkon on July 21, 2017, 06:31:07 am
So basically the clone is the same as hooking up a nes/famicom via composite to a hdtv,that's what it sounds like to me.
It's lightly better than composite - in that the image doesn't jump around at all, there are no jailbars or 'rainbow' banding - and of course it can be 4:3 ratio, but yeah it's 'as bad' as composite in that sense.
I actually quite like composite when played on CRT TVs, it's a more original picture and certainly more nostalgic, but I can't stand composite on HD TVs, especially when stretched to 16:9 widescreen and 240P.
I guess it's highly depending on the TV. Modern TVs are computers that can do all kind of stuff with the picture before displaying it. On mine, composite pictures are much clearer than in that picture, and you can choose between normal and wide, but colours are a bit pale (I can hardly see the color emphasis some Famicom games use). And yeah it's much worse than CRT. But I have no CRT with NTSC support.
Quote from: P on July 21, 2017, 08:40:29 amBut I have no CRT with NTSC support.
Going off-topic, but get an old C64/Amiga monitor. They're a bit small (14 inches), but they will display anything you throw at them be it PAL or NTSC, they do RGB, they have controls for picture sharpness/color/contrast/etc. I have two, a Philips CM 8533 and a Commodore 1084. And they both take SCART (NB: there are also models that don't have SCART input) so they're great choices for affordable CRT gaming that don't take much space.
Seems they have upgraded the (500 built in game clone) with new box and with wii ports to try too fool somebody if the pictures are correct ::)
(http://i.imgur.com/HoYrzQ6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hybNuM5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9vMz33z.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hrRBhZr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gpzaUT1.jpg)
Seems they have upgraded the 500 built in game clone with new box and with wii ports to try too fool somebody if the pictures are correct ::
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DO you think they upgraded it to hdmi output.
can you link those info, pls.
No i dont think its upgraded with hdmi, the seller have put up specs for the 30 built in games console in this link but i think only to fool somebody:
http://www.dhgate.com/product/mini-tv-game-console-video-game-console-player/402426521.html#cart_view-1-null
And in this link but bulk order but from same seller the specs says Audio/Video Cable for TV:
http://www.dhgate.com/product/classic-mini-tv-handheld-game-console-video/401601755.html?recinfo=8,108,7#cppd-7-5|null:108:r0916003984
And here's the proof, a screencap from Bebop's second link:
(http://i.imgur.com/YwL0OvZ.png)
Looks like an Xbox 360 "E"-model style 3.5mm miniplug-to-A/V cable.
The 30 in game hdmi clone US/EU are listed now on Dhgate as minimum order of 2 units for $68.58 X 2 = $137,16 including free Dhl shipping.
http://www.dhgate.com/product/classic-edition-game-player-entertainment/402497934.html?recinfo=8,108,4#avpd-4-5|null:108:r1792208638
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Maby the future of our knockoffs ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oid-ecG_wYw
The MP4 Players that these are based on were also prone to sudden failure. So I didn't doubt this for a moment, but you could make it into really nice Raspberry Pi and even use the NES Classic skin interface.
Quote from: Bebop on July 24, 2017, 12:27:32 pm
The 30 in game hdmi clone US/EU are listed now on Dhgate as minimum order of 2 units for $68.58 X 2 = $137,16 including free Dhl shipping.
The DHL shipping fees seems varies , it is ridiculos that certain country need to pay USD 800 shipment cost for a fake item.
strange is it? to my country its free and when i look to example US its says free dhl, but maby it change from what ip the person look from ??? and yea $800 are ridiculos :o
Hey, I'm pretty new here. Got some bad news about my bootleg nes.
It worked fine until I powered it up from PC. After turning it on it showed some system and data or whatever window and went into usb mode if you can call it like that...
So I wondered what if i tried to press some buttons while it is showing that window. After doing that I bricked the console for good :D
Usually it would be showing something like gathering library well I can't really remember but now it just sits there with the LED on and doing absolutely nothing stuck with black screen of death.
Hope that manufacturer will release some software to work with anytime soon...
Just put a Raspberry Pi 3 inside the shell with the NES Mini Pi theme.
new clone from aliexpress , this time it is HDMI but mirrored :D
https://goo.gl/buHRkd
[MOD edit - shortened the above link for you so the page displays more optimally]
The new 600 in 1 is a pretty nice console with a lot of good games on it:
Check here our review of it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Qn9pCpmQw&t=727s
As obirux mentation earlier its that it missing sounds effect in Mega Man.
Frankie Viturello on youtube have also pointing out that Punch Out have no crowd cheering effects.
Does anyone else have notice any missing sounds in some other games?
So it's probably missing amplification in one of the sound channels, that's unfortunate. Yet another problem in the gaining list of problems with these NES Classic clones.
Do not understand the technical specification,
but certain key words from chinese forum serves as reference.
1. Action semiconductors----G1005
2.MIPS
3. 64 M RAM.
:)
Made a photo of PCB if it helps.
I have tested this chinese wireless controller, and it dont work on this clone sadly because this controller feels exactly as the wired one thats included :(
Have someone tested another wireless controller on this clone, even if i not belive any wireless working on this because of lack of wires from the board to the controller ports.
(http://i.imgur.com/34OuETT.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GdUSprx.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/198tAcJ.png)
don't waste your money for it just for the Pi cases. :-[
there are some other china company focus on producing Pi CASES.
can check this site
www.retroflag.com
That looks great - I just wish they'd left the front lid label blank in that case, rather than write that name.
I might try and grab one of these - in the hope they look close to that 3D mockup.
Quote from: yeeshen33 on July 30, 2017, 09:56:05 am
don't waste your money for it just for the Pi cases. :-[
there are some other china company focus on producing Pi CASES.
can check this site
www.retroflag.com
Order it here:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073ZC4TZY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_NMLFzbABPXAM1
That is officially the coolest Raspberry Pi case ever, with a pair of USB NES controllers you have a perfect NES Classic mini (just make sure you backup your SD card image as it will eventually corrupt and need a re installation).
Yes thats are a very good looking case, and its not to expensive either ;D
They doubled the price now!! >:( >:( >:(
Thanks, but it seems I was too late to order, and no way paying that price.
Bebop here are the issues with the system:
Punch-Out (Missing Crowd sound effects)
Zelda (missing getting Hit sound effects by some enemies)
Castlevania 1,2 (missing getting hit sound effects by enemies)
Mega man 2 (missing a lot of sound effects)
Menu is slowing down and background getting bad.
Typo errors like:
Cartlevania instead of Castlevania
Mege Man 2 instead of Mega Man 2
Punch-out!! title is completely wrong
and some small diacritic errors in titels.
Quote from: wild-child83 on July 31, 2017, 08:34:08 am
Bebop here are the issues with the system:
Punch-Out (Missing Crowd sound effects)
Zelda (missing getting Hit sound effects by some enemies)
Castlevania 1,2 (missing getting hit sound effects by enemies)
Mega man 2 (missing a lot of sound effects)
Menu is slowing down and background getting bad.
Typo errors like:
Cartlevania instead of Castlevania
Mege Man 2 instead of Mega Man 2
Punch-out!! title is completely wrong
and some small diacritic errors in titels.
Thank you for the info, did not yours Super Mario Bros 2 go faster? :)
about the nespi cases.
I just placed an order in alibaba sites , the price is still reasonable. :)
They said to me that because Amazon are running out, so they made the price higher (Amazon, not them). Can you please post another link? Thanks!
Quote from: L___E___T on August 01, 2017, 04:50:41 am
They said to me that because Amazon are running out, so they made the price higher (Amazon, not them). Can you please post another link? Thanks!
OK , this is the link.
https://m.alibaba.com/trade/search?SearchText=NESPI
Currently do not have stock, you have to order it first then wait until end of august ,
but they also inform me the FamicomPi cases will be available soon.
Do they have a visual of the Famicom Pi cases?
Super Mario Bros 3 goes faster than normal and also the sound also goes a lot faster.
Also Super Mario Bros 2 is missing sound effect when you take out a carrot from the ground etc.
The emulator splits the sound I've heard but unfortunately not all sound effects you will hear in some games..
Really annoying!
Also I just have contact with the engineers from China and they noticed the problems!
By the end of august there will be a new version 2.0 released that fixed all earlier problems.
I don't know if they also put a demo mode in it and more languages. But the big problems I mentioned earlier will be fixed in that version.
So people that want to buy a FAKE Mini nes 1:1 clone you better wait and ask if you will get an updated version
is that possible to ask the engineer to release the software ,?
at least fair to the first batch buyers. :(
The problem is that they are afraid that others will copy it!
But I am sure once the new version comes out someone hacks it and you can also put it on the older ones.
Just need some time.
If they will release it officially I let you guys know!
I wonder if this is the same cpu the retrobit generations uses as i remember when i took it apart and hooked it via the internal usb it gave me the same usb drive in my windows device manager.
when i was looking into it before i found this
http://celly.space/2016/02/25/hacking-the-card-tv/
https://www.megaleecher.net/MP4_Player_Firmware
http://www.actions-semi.com/en/newsview.aspx?id=718
http://web.archive.org/web/20111130191929/http://www.actions-semi.com:80/en/product.aspx?id=52
http://wiki.s1mp3.org/ATJ227x
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I was able to get it into flash mode "adfu" by shorting the flash pins. I was able to get the windows drivers installed but I haven't found any compatible software yet to dump / write the flash. So far I know from research is the ROMs are stored on the system partition. So no hooking it up to a computer without putting into flash "adfu" mode will be able to write to that.
When you hookup via USB without going into a flash mode that gives you access to a non existing partition on the flash. be careful unplugging and replugging from a computer itcan corrupt the flash and render the Box useless until we get firmware and a writing tool. I already did this to one of my boxes good thing I ordered 4.
Quote from: cruz40 on August 05, 2017, 04:17:59 pm
I wonder if this is the same cpu the retrobit generations uses as i remember when i took it apart and hooked it via the internal usb it gave me the same usb drive in my windows device manager.
when i was looking into it before i found this
http://celly.space/2016/02/25/hacking-the-card-tv/
https://www.megaleecher.net/MP4_Player_Firmware
http://www.actions-semi.com/en/newsview.aspx?id=718
http://web.archive.org/web/20111130191929/http://www.actions-semi.com:80/en/product.aspx?id=52
http://wiki.s1mp3.org/ATJ227x
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I was able to get it into flash mode "adfu" by shorting the flash pins. I was able to get the windows drivers installed but I haven't found any compatible software yet to dump / write the flash. So far I know from research is the ROMs are stored on the system partition. So no hooking it up to a computer without putting into flash "adfu" mode will be able to write to that.
When you hookup via USB without going into a flash mode that gives you access to a non existing partition on the flash. be careful unplugging and replugging from a computer itcan corrupt the flash and render the Box useless until we get firmware and a writing tool. I already did this to one of my boxes good thing I ordered 4.
Thanks and good to hear people working on it, hopefully we see result in the future :) :)
Just rec'd my US version mini clones. :bub:
(https://s2.postimg.org/brlrkkzmh/Full_Size_Render.jpg)
(https://s2.postimg.org/l69hhd27b/Full_Size_Render_2.jpg)
(https://s1.postimg.org/dirs0t7z3/Full_Size_Render_1.jpg)
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Compare the packaging and the item, It has a same serial number :o
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Unboxing video for us version mini clone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWLaQQtZ2lM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdfJ4z5YPv0
Quote from: cruz40 on August 05, 2017, 04:17:59 pm
I wonder if this is the same cpu the retrobit generations uses as i remember when i took it apart and hooked it via the internal usb it gave me the same usb drive in my windows device manager.
when i was looking into it before i found this
http://celly.space/2016/02/25/hacking-the-card-tv/
https://www.megaleecher.net/MP4_Player_Firmware
http://www.actions-semi.com/en/newsview.aspx?id=718
http://web.archive.org/web/20111130191929/http://www.actions-semi.com:80/en/product.aspx?id=52
http://wiki.s1mp3.org/ATJ227x
Post Merge: August 06, 2017, 06:27:54 pm
I was able to get it into flash mode "adfu" by shorting the flash pins. I was able to get the windows drivers installed but I haven't found any compatible software yet to dump / write the flash. So far I know from research is the ROMs are stored on the system partition. So no hooking it up to a computer without putting into flash "adfu" mode will be able to write to that.
When you hookup via USB without going into a flash mode that gives you access to a non existing partition on the flash. be careful unplugging and replugging from a computer itcan corrupt the flash and render the Box useless until we get firmware and a writing tool. I already did this to one of my boxes good thing I ordered 4.
thanks for your work on this man, I'm eager to help in anyway that I can, but I don't want to destroy my unit. let me know if there is anything you would like me to do that could help in any way
If anyone is looking for the flasher and driver . Media Player Product Tools 5.46.ver is the newest software i could find.
https://www.energysistem.com/en/support?F=bfneokbnmgmk&A=aeekeijkhnkd
Once we have the .fw file for this unit this software reboots the unit into adfu mode and will flash the .fw "fimware" file.
I still haven't found a way to read the firmware of the unit.
Super contra only playable until midddle of stage 4. :(
I wonder if all the games are like that? Because it is a rather limited console in design using 2008 mobile parts.
It can play Nes and SNES but not higher i've heard in theory .
But come on Nes games are running on hardware from a console in 1986 so ofcourse 20+ years later mobile hardware should handle it without problems.
Post Merge: August 09, 2017, 11:04:11 am
yeeshen33: What do you mean only stage 4?
You sure?? Or maybe you got bad luck and they put a broken rom on it??
Did you also test the USA version? It has the same bugs?
Also keep it up cruz40 I hope you and other people will get into it and it wil be possible to upgrade and fix it!
It is only playable up to stage 3.
In fact the us and eu minis difference is only the packaging.
In ebay its possible buy this mini clone. I bought it there.
Hello all,
I have received the clone (EU model with 30 games).
And...How can I say...It is awful, after a few seconds the sound of the menu no longer works properly.
I have half the time, a USB logo on screen however the console is connected on the USB's TV.
Is it normal??
Thanks
I ordered one of the European version from Alibaba and have been in contact with the seller.
I asked about adding games and they said it is possible they will send instructions on how to add games. Hopefully this will lead somewhere...
Quote from: MrMario on August 11, 2017, 09:41:42 am
I ordered one of the European version from Alibaba and have been in contact with the seller.
I asked about adding games and they said it is possible they will send instructions on how to add games. Hopefully this will lead somewhere...
I wouldn't placed so much reliance on them, their words usually not carry weight.
They just want to sold their product . What they promises before they just ignore it.
I encountered it once before, f**k them.
albator651:
You must connect it with a 5V 1A POwer adapter. Do not connect it to a USB power device because than you will get that.
Also there are now busy with making softwarte i've heard and fixing the problems so a new version will come soon and hopefully the software also!
Quote from: wild-child83 on August 13, 2017, 06:10:45 am
albator651:
You must connect it with a 5V 1A POwer adapter. Do not connect it to a USB power device because than you will get that.
Also there are now busy with making softwarte i've heard and fixing the problems so a new version will come soon and hopefully the software also!
May I know the progress and where those update is discussed. Any forum link pls?
thank you Wild-child83, I will try.
I have not reconnected since, I hope a future update, or a hack to add games.
When I tried it at first, the HDMI cable did not work, I had to change it...
Do yours take a long time to get started?
Mine puts several seconds before turning on.
Yes it take a few seconds to boot up.
But the original nes also takes a few seconds so not much of a difference..
yeeshen33: I have direct contact with the fabric on Whatsapp and they will let me know when a better NES mini version comes out.
Than I will buy some more for other people.
I have tried to use it (with a power adapter) and now I have a black screen...I think my clone does no longer works...great :'(
I still have the led power on, but no image...
Yup, you are amongst the people with whom the system has suddenly died. What did you honestly expect from a clone that originates in China?
Time to make a Raspberry Pi out of it?
Yea i have heard that to that more people unit's have stop working after have plug it into a pc but even units that not boot up at all
when there received their units :( luckily mine consoles works......yet ::)
A good reason to force them to release the software. >:(
Post Merge: August 14, 2017, 09:55:34 pm
RETROFLAG NESPI CASES IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR SALES USD 25.99 ;D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Mini-NES-NesPi-Case-Suitable-for-Raspberry-Pi-Models-1-2-3-/222469828765
Post Merge: August 15, 2017, 01:01:32 am
MORE
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-NES-NesPi-Case-for-Raspberry-Pi-1-Model-B-2-3-Model-B-Mini/253049642575
I'm glad that the price dropped again! I am totally ordering one now, as that's super sleek!
Too bad, It is out of stock now.
Post Merge: August 17, 2017, 02:29:46 am
Another Fake US Mini clone 1:1 produce by different factory.
No screen select options ,and fixed 16:9 .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JNou7oCpI
Post Merge: August 17, 2017, 02:40:00 am
another factory that produce the cheap replica .
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/HOT-NTD-mini-FC-high-definition_60680218742.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.3c93b0952HnbL0
Lol these is even another clone..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JNou7oCpI
But the menu is really low resolution and you can't make savestates...
Come one CHINA PEOPLE JUST MAE A PERFECT COPY 1:1 shouldn't be that difficult...
Quote from: wild-child83 on August 17, 2017, 03:04:16 am
Lol these is even another clone..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JNou7oCpI
But the menu is really low resolution and you can't make savestates...
Come one CHINA PEOPLE JUST MAE A PERFECT COPY 1:1 shouldn't be that difficult...
I confirm with the supplier in China, this is nes clone from a different manufacturer.
Yes I know buddy and it's also a lot cheaper.
You can buy it for 37 dollars (30 euro's) shipped to the US / Europe.
So thats a good deal. But REALLY a shame you can;t make SAVE states.
Also some games haven been removed for others like Zelda 1 for Resue Rangers and Punch out for Ring King (which if also a good game).
Post Merge: August 18, 2017, 02:37:05 am
The Biggest fail of that latest 1:1 clone is that the controller ports look the same but aren't the same.
So you never can use a 2nd controller on it...
EPIC FAIL! So people watch you and don't buy them!
I don't know where you can get a second controller for that unit!
Quote from: wild-child83 on August 17, 2017, 03:04:16 am
Lol these is even another clone..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JNou7oCpI
But the menu is really low resolution and you can't make savestates...
Come one CHINA PEOPLE JUST MAE A PERFECT COPY 1:1 shouldn't be that difficult...
Yeah, I agree with you . If they can't handle it properly, they should at least release the software, and let other expert handle and improving it. At least should be fair to the customers.
I just saw a nes mini pcb board in ebay site, quite interested .
But my question is , can the real nes mini board fit properly inside the fake nes mini shell.
The seller also sell the nes mini shell separately with serial started with CUxxxxxx,
Can i confirm what is the real shell serial number should be ?
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I assume you mean some other auction site because I sure don't see these on eBay, unless they're under some obscure description...?
hey everybody,
i just put in an order with alibaba for the knockoff clone mini NES (USA version)
i know some people were trying to see what controllers work with this system since it uses the WII controller plug,
before ordering i asked the supplier if they had spare controllers available, and they responded that they can add a second controller into the box for only an extra 1.50$ which seams like a deal, since the 3rd party controllers don't work and are about 10 bucks each.
i will post after the unit comes in to show what mine looks like,
meanwhile here is a photo from the supplier when i asked about the packaging:
(not sure if the poster/paperwork is included, and i wonder if the nintendo points count for anything? lol)
Very interesting - can we ask how much did you pay total and do you have a handy link? The case is nice, so I might grab a US version.
see second picture i posted above,
91.50 shipped total,
so shipping was about 30 bucks (DHL 1-2 weeks)
extra controller was worth the extra 1.50,
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EUR-and-USA-version-TV-classic_60676730196.html?spm=a2700.8443308.0.0.Ymr3C8
Quote from: L___E___T on September 01, 2017, 06:04:47 am
Very interesting - can we ask how much did you pay total and do you have a handy link? The case is nice, so I might grab a US version.
The Console is exactly the same thing , they didn't even upgrade it , but you can grab the boxart by eight yuan only.
I get mine RMB 260 clone console + extra box RMB 8 = RMB 268 which equivalent 40 usd only.
Alltogether I spent USD 50 to get it shipped to my hometown.
Yeeshen33,
do you mean just the NES chassis (to use for a RASPI maybe?), or the whole unit?
got a link? :link:
I have been asking for software or instructions on how to add games and they told me it was possible at first, but now it seems they don't want to help.
I'm not really surprised or upset, I just figured I could add some games and make it even better.
wow ! you actually figured it out ??
Let shares it to us . ;D
Post Merge: September 01, 2017, 08:44:50 am
you only can get this price , if your are regularly buy in chinese alibaba site (1688.com). and you need to register with alipay and to open a China current accounts , those process are tedious .
I usually keep it simple by linking those site to my forwarding agent , and he buy it for me. :)
In first page you can see those link.
Post Merge: September 01, 2017, 08:46:20 am
Quote from: CATSCATSCATSCATS on September 01, 2017, 07:47:12 am
Yeeshen33,
do you mean just the NES chassis (to use for a RASPI maybe?), or the whole unit?
got a link? :link:
you only can get this price , if your are regularly buy in chinese alibaba site (1688.com). and you need to register with alipay and to open a China current accounts , those process are tedious .
I usually keep it simple by linking those site to my forwarding agent , and he buy it for me. Smiley
In first page you can see those link.
Post Merge: September 01, 2017, 09:05:52 am
I just but another clone , with a much cheaper price , but the outlook and packing is great.
The problem is :-
1. No high res menu,
2. No save state
3. 6 different games.
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thanks for clarifying Yeeshen,
i didn't realize you were referring to the links on first page,
i dont plan to buy alot of stuff on alibaba, so the higher price is ok with me for now.
if my unit has only 6 games i will be very disappointed, and it will become an expensive Retropie case. haha
the biggest selling point was having save state, which i assume my unit will have according to the youtube video posted by Obirux.
time will tell,
I think he means there are 6 games that are different from the Official NES Classic. Maybe one game was replaced or maybe even the same game but from a different region. I saw some YouTubers do some pretty detailed comparisons.
But still 30 games total.
i saw the DHgate link to the 500-in one,
but has anyone seen/purchased this clone?
https://www.dhgate.com/product/mini-tv-console-hdmi-cassic-nes-edition-mini/404108233.html#s1-14-7b;searl|2988794674
only thing i can tell is missing is the red "nintendo" text on the front of the controller, but the back side photo shows the plastic is molded with the nintendo text.....
free shipping to USA is tempting,
Okay there are 2 types of nes mini clone with 30 games flow in the market
With High resolution menu and save state
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Low resolution menu and no save state.
6 different games .
(https://s26.postimg.org/5m3w3379l/Screenshot_2017-09-02-02-24-41.png)
I am pretty sure you get the high res version, so no need to worry.
Post Merge: September 01, 2017, 11:51:48 am
Quote from: MrMario on September 01, 2017, 09:40:13 am
I think he means there are 6 games that are different from the Official NES Classic. Maybe one game was replaced or maybe even the same game but from a different region. I saw some YouTubers do some pretty detailed comparisons.
But still 30 games total.
Do you already figure out how to add games?
hey guys, have there been any more developments on getting access to the ROM on this?
I have not found a way to add ROMs or connect to this device in any way. I was hoping to at least get a driver to communicate with it when plugged into my PC, but the seller told me that they were unable to provide since they no longer sell this console and that it was a complicated process.
On to bigger things it would seem; like cloning the SNES Classic.
Quote from: MrMario on September 05, 2017, 07:28:03 am
I have not found a way to add ROMs or connect to this device in any way. I was hoping to at least get a driver to communicate with it when plugged into my PC, but the seller told me that they were unable to provide since they no longer sell this console and that it was a complicated process.
I posted the driver and firmware software . Just no firmware yet
I contacted the seller Ava Zhao on Alibaba, asking about adding more games and the reply I got is below
Quote
Hello,
We do not release the software, if need to add more games, need our engineers to do it.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EUR-version-of-the-N-ES_60705566439.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.3c93b095BJB7Gj
Nintendo brings back the Nes Mini summer 2018 ;D
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-12-nintendo-announces-nes-mini-is-back-in-production
Quote from: elsparko on September 12, 2017, 06:04:48 am
I contacted the seller Ava Zhao on Alibaba, asking about adding more games and the reply I got is below
Quote
Hello,
We do not release the software, if need to add more games, need our engineers to do it.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EUR-version-of-the-N-ES_60705566439.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.3c93b095BJB7Gj
A further reply today is suggesting that only their engineers can do this, and that you can have any games that you request on loaded. I will keep discussing with the seller to see if I can get my hands on the software and method. It might be good if others contacted the seller about the same, a little bit of pressure, especially with the re-release of the console, might push them to release it.
I finally got my hands on one of these recently. A customer wanted to sell several of them to us, and thanks to this thread I was able to ID it as the clone handily. The controller actually felt pretty alright. The box and its contents smelled like cheap Chinese knockoff if ever I smelled it. It had the US box and I didn't cram my face against it to check but from a reasonable distance it looks authentic. Only giveaway is that it had a weird wrinkle on the front that you tend to see on cheap China-made goods.
Glad it helped! Did the guy try and pass it off as genuine? He must have known it was not...
More or less, yeah. He called in and said he had paid $100 a pop for each and wanted to know if we could do even $110 each for them. I knew he could do better than that on eBay for legit ones, so my business partner and I asked him to bring one of the units in so we could take a look. When I ID'd it as the clone, he didn't get defensive, so much as "huh!" "wow!" "How could you tell?" So my guess is, based on how he responded and behaved, he got suckered into buying a bunch of these clones at a premium and wanted to offload them to recoup his erroneous investment.
Wow. Well that's unfortunate on both sides, he got scammed so he wanted to scam someone else. Yikes!
Crappy Snes Mini Clone ;D ;D ;D
https://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=13767.msg178743#msg178743
What do you think about this version with SD card :) ? is it NOAC ? :o
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Mini-Dendy-DANDY-Retro-8-bit-Video-TV-Electronic-30-Game-Console-Game-Player-To-TV/3376020_32857938753.html?spm=2114.12010615.0.0.739f5602miEV3j
"Mini Dendy DANDY Retro 8 bit Video TV Electronic 30 Game Console Game Player To TV nes Classic Edition Download Micro SD/TF Card"