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Misc. => Other Gaming => Topic started by: Great Hierophant on September 29, 2016, 08:59:55 pm

Title: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Great Hierophant on September 29, 2016, 08:59:55 pm
It is real :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GQ02nXQQiM

Here is the list of games :

Donkey Kong
Mario Bros.
Pac-Man
Excitebike
Balloon Fight
Ice Climber
Galaga
Yie Ar Kung Fu
Super Mario Bros.
Zelda no Densetsu - The Hyrule Fantasy
Atlantis No Nazo
Gradius
Makimura
Solomon no Kagi
Metroid
Akumajou Dracula
Legend of Zelda 2 - Link no Bouken
Tsuppari Oozumou
Super Mario Bros. 3
Ninja Ryukenden
Rockman 2 - Dr. Wily no Nazo
Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari
Double Dragon II - The Revenge
Super Contra
Final Fantasy III
Dr. Mario
Downtown Nekketsu Koushinkyoku - Soreyuke Daiundoukai
Mario Open Golf
Super Mario USA
Hoshi no Kirby: Yume no Izumi no Monogatari

It is coming out on the same day as the NES Mini and at roughly the same price.  Two hardwired controllers for all your nostalgic fun!
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on September 29, 2016, 09:12:58 pm
The Famicom one of course has a way better game list! I am so excited to own them both!
Title: Re:
Post by: GreenKoopa on September 29, 2016, 10:50:53 pm
Ok, there are 8 games difference between the mini nes and mini famicom. 

Games which come on the Mini Nes only:
Bubble bobble
Castlevania II
Donkey kong jr
Final fantasy
Kid icarus
Punch out
Startropics
Tecmo bowl

Games on the mini famicom only:
Atlantis no nazo
Downtown nekketsu koshinkyoku
Final fantasy III
NES open golf tournament
River city ransom
Solomon's key
Tsuppari ozumo
Yie ar kung fu

What do you think of the mini famicom exclusive titles? Personally, i think the mini nes has a better selection, but i might be biased growing up outside of Japan. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Pikkon on September 29, 2016, 11:22:49 pm
Awesome.

And from this site it seems it will have disk system games as well :)
https://topics.nintendo.co.jp/c/article/d2923b54-8552-11e6-9b38-063b7ac45a6d.html
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on September 30, 2016, 12:26:54 am
 



Amazing news!  The best part about this for me is I can now order a couple of Famicom styled Wii controllers for Virtual Console ~
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on September 30, 2016, 03:57:35 am
No it seems to have hardwired controllers to keep true to the original. On the other hand it comes with two controllers to start with and I guess one has the microphone needed for Atlantis no Nazo and Zelda. But you can connect Classic Controller to the Nes version so you might not need to buy an extra.

I think both regions have relly good exclusives. Nes mini has Bubble bobble, Final fantasy, Kid icarus and Punch Out while Famicom has two Kunio-kun games, FF3, Solomon no Kagi and I guess it has the FDS version of Zelda, Metroid, and Akumajou Dracula which are supperior to the cart versions.

In the end I think the Famicom version is a bit more intersting of the two.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on September 30, 2016, 04:36:03 am
 



I don't think it does necessarily - they haven't shown how the cables are attached inside - for now, I will hope :)

Also, getting from Amazon gives you some extras an options (but no extra controllers): https://goo.gl/mnTLka

Also, a new poster is on the page, see it by clicking on the spoiler tag below, it's a bit too big for the forum:
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on September 30, 2016, 06:14:36 am
Yeah I guess it's a Classic Controller with a different connector, so it might be possible to make a Classic Controller adapter for them. I don't think the controllers will be sold separately though so you have to buy the whole system and steal the controllers (unless you can get spare parts).

Those Amazone deals seems nice though. You get AC-adapter and 30 postcards with cartridge motives and it's still cheaper than the Nes Classic Mini.

Looking at the video, it looks like the controller II microphone is just for show, and after some googling it seems that it does not have a functioning microphone. So you are supposed to fight Pols Voice with your sword? Give me a break!
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Great Hierophant on September 30, 2016, 06:39:54 am
If there is a connector, it is inside the console's enclosure.  Look at 4:30 in the announcement video linked in the first post. 

I had predicted that Nintendo would have done a substantial reshuffle of the game lineup because some U.S. games are not particularly popular in Japan and vice versa, but I was way too ambitious. 

It was nice that they gave disk system versions of games, they could have just put the cartridge releases (JP for Zelda and Dracula, US for Metroid and Zelda 2) and called it a day.  This means that the FDS audio channel will require emulation, a tricky beast.  I already have concerns about the fidelity of the noise channel emulation. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on September 30, 2016, 06:49:42 am
OMG!!!  WOOOOWWW!!  I want one sooooooo bad!!  How the hell am I going to get this from the US???  :'(  :'(  :'(  I want 2 of them.  One to play with and the other to keep sealed forever.  ;D

Any Japan based FW members want to buy and ship out??
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on September 30, 2016, 08:02:23 am
Can't you just import it yourself from Japanese Amazone or something?

Quote from: Great Hierophant on September 30, 2016, 06:39:54 am
If there is a connector, it is inside the console's enclosure.  Look at 4:30 in the announcement video linked in the first post. 

Yeah but unless they soldered the controllers to the PCB, it's possible you may just be able to disconnect it like on a Famicom and add a Classic Controller connector to it.

QuoteI had predicted that Nintendo would have done a substantial reshuffle of the game lineup because some U.S. games are not particularly popular in Japan and vice versa, but I was way too ambitious.

Yes but I think almost all these games are popular everywhere (except Tecmo Bowl and Tsuppari Oozumou). They might have based the lineup on sales or something.

QuoteIt was nice that they gave disk system versions of games, they could have just put the cartridge releases (JP for Zelda and Dracula, US for Metroid and Zelda 2) and called it a day.  This means that the FDS audio channel will require emulation, a tricky beast.  I already have concerns about the fidelity of the noise channel emulation.

Isn't the FDS audio channel already emulated in some Virtual Console games? I guess the system is using some Wii- or DS-like hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on September 30, 2016, 08:13:30 am
 



We know these are the VC versions, and that they run on something of a Wii-esque hardware.  So I am still HOPING the controllers are not hard-wired, but they may well be.

The reason the titles are different from some of the NES titles will be 90% for licensing reasons, though I am surprised that Kid Icarus especially got left off.

Startropics & Tecmo Bowl make sense to replace, but I think the Fami got mostly good replacements, even if all in the NES has a more rounded list.



Loving the design and setup of the menus though, the video options and the multiple save points system.  Packaging design also looks good and spot on.

Not loving the hard-wired controllers (if they are) but I get that it has to look and feel like the real thing and people's real memories of playing.

I'm also trying to order two - and I think I'll even order a second NES Mini from America at some point, if the prices don't get aloof.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on September 30, 2016, 08:40:03 am
Anyone have any experience with ordering from Amazon Japan?  I'm thinking of hopping on as soon as they're available for this.  I NEED two of these.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on September 30, 2016, 08:44:30 am
 
 
Also new artwork :)

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii47/L___E___T/Untitled_zpspcoq6zlk.png) (http://s261.photobucket.com/user/L___E___T/media/Untitled_zpspcoq6zlk.png.html)


Post Merge: September 30, 2016, 09:38:19 am


Another update - NES controllers are wired - deemed as 'very bad news' from a non-fan, but they still look removable...  Also strongly appears based on the Wii (not WiiU VC)...

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/nes-classic-edition-hands-on-impression-big-on-fun-light-on-features
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Great Hierophant on September 30, 2016, 02:01:32 pm
I think most of us would agree that the Wii has better overall NES/Famicom emulation over the Wii U.  But the Wii is not capable of Hi-Def and the Wii U is essentially an upgraded Wii from a hardware perspective.  I would be inclined to see this as a mix of both consoles.  The controllers do look awfully small, even by Japanese standards. 

The microphone, cartridge flap and eject lever and expansion port cover are all non-functional and non-removable of course.

As far as no microphone for killing Pols Voice, you are getting savestates!  Don't make me bust out the world's tiniest violin.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on September 30, 2016, 03:08:42 pm
Quote from: Great Hierophant on September 30, 2016, 02:01:32 pm
I think most of us would agree that the Wii has better overall NES/Famicom emulation over the Wii U.  But the Wii is not capable of Hi-Def and the Wii U is essentially an upgraded Wii from a hardware perspective.  I would be inclined to see this as a mix of both consoles.

Now I don't have have a Wii U yet but why is the Wii VC games supperior to the Wii U VC? When googling this matter, people are saying that the Wii U VC is supperior due to HD, abillity to play on the tablet screen and the fact that the PAL Wii U VC games are using NTSC ROMs and plays in 60 Hz (Wii VC games used the PAL ROMs and played in 50 Hz).

Quote from: Great Hierophant on September 30, 2016, 02:01:32 pm
The controllers do look awfully small, even by Japanese standards.

Yeah they look a bit uncomfortable. They have to be that small since the console is shrinked, or they wouldn't match the original Famicom.

Quote from: Great Hierophant on September 30, 2016, 02:01:32 pm
As far as no microphone for killing Pols Voice, you are getting savestates!  Don't make me bust out the world's tiniest violin.

Haha no way! Savestates are like minimum for a good Emulator, but no Microphone and yet they include games that are so iconically used with it. Bah! Luckily I have a real Famicom and most of these games already (it would still be neat to have this though).
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on September 30, 2016, 04:20:27 pm
I ended up making an Amazon.jp account and ordered one... it was cheaper than the NES Classic Mini EVEN AFTER POSTAGE COSTS. Bloody Australia haha. This is perfect for me, cause my friend at EBGames f***ed up my pre-order and ordered the controller instead of the console so I probably wont end up getting one unless I get really lucky.
Title: Re: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: GreenKoopa on September 30, 2016, 05:07:04 pm
Quote from: Arkanix38 on September 30, 2016, 04:20:27 pm
I ended up making an Amazon.jp account and ordered one... it was cheaper than the NES Classic Mini EVEN AFTER POSTAGE COSTS. Bloody Australia haha. This is perfect for me, cause my friend at EBGames f***ed up my pre-order and ordered the controller instead of the console so I probably wont end up getting one unless I get really lucky.

I pre ordered my mini nes via the eb games website, which takes a $10 deposit for the entire order.  There will always be cancellations, so get your friend to redeem himself and get you one of those.  You've already got the 2nd controller locked in :)

Thanks for the amazon japan tip. Do they know the shipping is overseas as part of the pre order?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on September 30, 2016, 05:09:34 pm
Already talked to the manager, apparently the only way I'm getting one is if someone cancels and they still get it sent to the store... and I turn up as soon as they open.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on October 01, 2016, 02:51:09 am
Well at least you get a cool Classic Controller, ...with missing buttons and joysticks.

Quote from: Arkanix38 on September 30, 2016, 04:20:27 pm
I ended up making an Amazon.jp account and ordered one... it was cheaper than the NES Classic Mini EVEN AFTER POSTAGE COSTS. Bloody Australia haha.

Tell me about it, Swedish consumption tax is 25% while it's only 8% in Japan. Well at least we get unlimited health care, too bad I never get sick. :(
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on October 01, 2016, 03:18:35 am
Yeah, would be nice to have though. NES Games are pretty expensive here and it'd be nice to be able to play Star Tropics, Legend of Zelda (in english) and a few others through HDMI on a cute little console.
Title: Re:
Post by: GreenKoopa on October 01, 2016, 03:59:03 am
As the console is scaled down in physical size, so to are the controllers to match.  Supposedly the mini famicom is 60% of the original size.  For me, this could be a major deal breaker, as i want to use a normal size controller.

http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-classic-mini-famicom-photos-website-specs-my-nintendo-ticket/

The only way nintendo could get around this is to use the AV or twin famicom.  But, these shapes aren't iconic enough to be recognised.

Otherwise, having separate full sized controllers to plug in, in addition the scaled down versions which attach to the side, would add unnecessary cost and look stupid. 

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: manuel on October 01, 2016, 04:21:06 am
Scalpers are already all over it.
Let's hope Nintendo produces enough to make them go stay home empty-handed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on October 01, 2016, 06:16:50 am
I think they could have gone with controller sockets in the back (ie where the famicom controller cables come out of the console). I'm just disappointed that they included Zelda and the P2 controller has no mic.

Still not a deal breaker for me though cause its cute as all hell and i'll just keep it next to my PC so I can play Mario 3 while sitting in the study in front of my second monitor, rather than rolling over 3m and setting up my tiny Commodore CRT.

It'll also be more convenient than taking a Famicom over to my friends house along with 6 carts, the cables and power supply, when all we end up doing is fiddling with her TV cause it hates out of region Composite signals and giving up to play Fallout NV.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on October 01, 2016, 04:21:24 pm
Yeah it's a neat plug-and-play console with a bunch of great games, that's probably what lots of people want.

Quote from: manuel on October 01, 2016, 04:21:06 am
Scalpers are already all over it.
Let's hope Nintendo produces enough to make them go stay home empty-handed.

Prices went up! Before it was like 6000¥ but now it's like 10000¥ on Rakuten and Amazone!! That's more expensive than a used Famicom!

Quote from: GreenKoopa on October 01, 2016, 03:59:03 am
As the console is scaled down in physical size, so to are the controllers to match.  Supposedly the mini famicom is 60% of the original size.  For me, this could be a major deal breaker, as i want to use a normal size controller.

http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-classic-mini-famicom-photos-website-specs-my-nintendo-ticket/

The only way nintendo could get around this is to use the AV or twin famicom.  But, these shapes aren't iconic enough to be recognised.

Otherwise, having separate full sized controllers to plug in, in addition the scaled down versions which attach to the side, would add unnecessary cost and look stupid. 

Thoughts?

Maybe they should have made it a little bigger so that the controllers don't become so awkwardly small. But I don't know, I haven't tried it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on October 01, 2016, 06:33:45 pm
Lucky I managed to get it for 5700¥ on amazon.jp then!
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: chowder on October 02, 2016, 02:27:48 am
I understand the size of the controllers from an aesthetic point of view, but I can't imagine they'd be too good to actually use :-\

This price gouging really annoys me though, hopefully production numbers are high and they'll come back down again.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: manuel on October 02, 2016, 04:25:20 am
Quote from: Arkanix38 on October 01, 2016, 06:33:45 pm
Lucky I managed to get it for 5700¥ on amazon.jp then!


Very lucky!
That's less than the MSRP.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on October 02, 2016, 09:20:52 pm
Quote from: manuel on October 02, 2016, 04:25:20 am
Very lucky!
That's less than the MSRP.


Yeah! There were two official listings on amazon.jp early on and one was discounted, managed to grab it before it sold out!


EDIT: added invoice from the listing
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on October 02, 2016, 10:19:09 pm
Anyone have any tips on being able to get one of these things without getting raped?

I made an Amazon JP account as well as a Tenso account in hopes I could snatch one at the retail price, but Amazon preorders seem to be sold out.  Should I;

A)Wait it out, maybe even til the day it's released to try to get one or

B)Get one of these for 9,000Y thinking that will be my only and cheapest chance until then.

Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: manuel on October 03, 2016, 12:08:07 am
I'm quite sure those aren't a limited edition (but I don't KNOW for sure...  :-[ ), so I'd say wait it out.

@Arkanix38
Nice!
Shipping is also pretty cheap!
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on October 03, 2016, 12:45:22 am
Yeah I would also wait it out.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: FAMICOM_87 on October 03, 2016, 08:11:17 am
pretty cool, but why Battle City is missing from the game list ? :(  :'(
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: tonev on October 03, 2016, 11:09:01 am
Quote from: FAMICOM_87 on October 03, 2016, 08:11:17 am
pretty cool, but why Battle City is missing from the game list ? :(  :'(


Pretty simple because it is not  that popular .
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on October 17, 2016, 08:09:48 am
FYI to all.  Amazon Japan is trickling $64 preorders out.  Every once in a while you'll see it up and you have to be super quick!!  Preordered mine, $64.  Good luck to everyone else!
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: fcgamer on October 17, 2016, 08:38:48 am
I would like one of these, but not so much for using (I already have these games anyways), but rather for the significance of it.  Of course, I want the Famicom version. 

With that said, I am not going to play the games that scalpers play, paying overpriced prices for it either.  I am sure that this product will be made in some decent quantity (I feel the same about the NES version), and if not, then I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on October 17, 2016, 08:44:49 am
Exactly the reason I got mine.  The significance of it.  I've been such a hardcore Famicom fan for years now.  It's nice to be able to get a fresh new Famicom from Nintendo.  Something I could never get as a kid.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on October 21, 2016, 07:43:19 am
PSA!!

Amazon Japan seems to be releasing $60 preorders for this thing frequently right now!!  Make a Tenso account and order this puppy for retail price;

https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01M1VMFUA/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

Stay on the page, refresh, and order.  So far since 9am I've been able to get through 3 times.  We're only limited to 1 each so it would error out.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Shumi Nagaremono on November 11, 2016, 05:50:22 am
Amazon delivered mine last night and I love it.  The mini controllers are surprisingly (to me) really easy to play with.  The 30 post cards are great, and really help to negate having paid like 1,500 yen for a 100 yen AC adapter in a nice box. 

Threw together a quick video comparing the differences in size between the original and Mini Famicom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZ8jEx5lFU
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on November 11, 2016, 08:19:56 am
 



My NES mini has arrived, but I'm away on travels at the moment. Still hoping to snag two of these later for $60, though sadly I missed out on the pre-order postcards - maybe I can snag those from eBay for a few bucks.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on November 11, 2016, 03:23:48 pm
Chaos today on Long Island NY with these NES minis.  Stores were only getting like 6 each.  I waited on a line outside of Target an hour before opening.  I was 2nd in line and then the manager comes out and says that there were only 2 available.  I got lucky.

I can't wait for the brothers to be united.  NES and Famicom minis!!  Woooo hoooo!!!
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on November 13, 2016, 04:08:50 pm
Just got my Mini Famicom in Australia, it works great and is cute as hell! The controllers are surprisingly good apart from the size, even then they are quite usable for someone with large hands like me
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: tonev on November 14, 2016, 03:21:06 am
Quote from: Shumi Nagaremono on November 11, 2016, 05:50:22 am
Amazon delivered mine last night and I love it.  The mini controllers are surprisingly (to me) really easy to play with.  The 30 post cards are great, and really help to negate having paid like 1,500 yen for a 100 yen AC adapter in a nice box. 

Threw together a quick video comparing the differences in size between the original and Mini Famicom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZ8jEx5lFU


Does the AC adapter have a nintendo branding on it?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: MS-DOS4 on November 14, 2016, 10:10:57 pm
I am so excited for this thing!  ;D

It is nice it has River City Ransom included, I just wish the NES version had it as well- in english. Mother would have also been a fun game to include.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Shumi Nagaremono on November 25, 2016, 10:35:41 pm
Quote from: tonev on November 14, 2016, 03:21:06 am
Quote from: Shumi Nagaremono on November 11, 2016, 05:50:22 am
Amazon delivered mine last night and I love it.  The mini controllers are surprisingly (to me) really easy to play with.  The 30 post cards are great, and really help to negate having paid like 1,500 yen for a 100 yen AC adapter in a nice box. 

Threw together a quick video comparing the differences in size between the original and Mini Famicom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZ8jEx5lFU


Does the AC adapter have a nintendo branding on it?


It doesn't.  Which surprised me.  Even the tiny HDMI cable is Nintendo branded.   
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on December 12, 2016, 06:33:25 am
So this past Friday I got my Famicom mini and reunited the brothers from other mothers.

I have to say that overall the NES is the much much better package.  The Japanese really got screwed over on this one which I would have thought to be the opposite.

The Famicom mini controllers are so incredibly small that it's barely playable.  You could sit there and give all the games a short play, but I can't see a marathon session being possible with those controllers.  I don't know why Nintendo didn't make the extension part of the console a connector like the USA controllers have.  Totally missed opportunity on that.

As far as the exclusive games, the NES has much much better ones although the Famicom games are fun.  I'd rather have Startropics, Punch Out, and Tecmo Bowl than Downtown Nekketsu Koushinkyoku: Soreyuke Daiundoukai, Atlantis No Nazo, and Yie Ar Kung Fu.  I'm not even saying this because I grew up in the USA.  I literally think overall those NES games are better and at least beatable.

Despite its shortcomings I still love this Famicom and I'm so glad I was able to snag one at retail from Amazon.

Question for anyone out there.  Was this supposed to come with limited edition post cards?  I never received any with my Amazon order.  Maybe they ran out as they were limited quantities?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on December 13, 2016, 04:56:32 am
Interestring to see one who has them both side to side to compare. Haven't played Startropics yet and Tecmo Bowl is probably only interesting for people from USA. Although Punch Out is a golden game, the Famicom version has Solomon no Kagi and FDS games, so I really don't think the Nes version has the better lineup. It's a matter of taste though.

The Famicom controllers does look small though, how big are they in centimeter?

I also wish the Famicom controllers had Classic Controller plugs. Apparently it's not a Wii, but a Linux-based system (Wii isn't Linux-based unlike the DS as far as I know) but it still uses the same Classic Controller protocol that the Wii does.


BTW the manuals can now all be downloaded from Nintendo's homepage. I think it's stupid that they couldn't wait to include the manuals in the system though.

Famicom Mini manuals:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/ja/index.html

NES Classic Edition manuals:
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/index.html

Each manual comes with a note where it says that although it's a scan of the original manual, it may have been changed to apply for the Classic Mini. I couldn't find any changes from a quick glance though. And for example Excitebike still mentions it can save its tracks using the Family BASIC keyboard.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on December 14, 2016, 05:50:10 am
The controllers have to be like 5-7 centimeters, they're really that tiny.

Yeah I have no clue what Nintendo was thinking on the Famicom.  They could have easily added a port in the front to alleviate issues.

I've seen a couple of these being taken apart online and the insides are almost exactly the same.  I'm sure you could probably swap out the motherboards, but there's no way I'm ever going to take it apart.

Here's another little thing I noticed, the placement of serial numbers.  Each console has their serial underneath it, but the matching one on the box is in different spots.  The USA one has the sticker on the box itself whereas the Japanese one has the matching serial on the back of one of the manual papers.  Essentially you could buy any box then for the Famicom mini to complete it as long as you have all the paperwork.

It's really really unfortunate of the Famicom's controllers though.  I'm thinking that this is the reason it goes for much cheaper than the NES.

I couldn't be more ecstatic to have been able to get both and at retail price nonetheless.  For the NES I took the day off, woke my ass up early on launch day, and went to the lesser known Target by me only to be second in line and for the store to have only 2 in stock.  For the Famicom I refreshed the Amazon Japan page daily to which every once in a while they would shoot out retail price preorders.  I managed to snag one, had it sent to Tenso, and then went through them to proxy send it to me here in NY.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: manuel on December 20, 2016, 10:29:47 pm
Great seeing them side by side!
I'm also looking for a North American one (anybody wanna trade?) to do the same thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on December 21, 2016, 06:29:46 am
FYI to anyone seeing this, Famicom Minis are back in preorder for retail price, https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01M1VMFUA/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

I wonder how long that'll last.

Edit: It lasted a while, but not too long.  Sorry folks.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on December 21, 2016, 11:46:50 am
I wonder why Nintendo is doing this. It's like they underestimated how much it would sell.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: MWK on December 21, 2016, 10:07:26 pm
I believe that's how you get it done now. Days when you produce 10+ millions upfront and got your warehouses full of unsold consoles are long gone. Nowadays even such corpos like the big N can't afford to do this anymore, preordering it's the easiest way to fulfil 100% of current consumers demand since you know exactly how many units to produce and you don't have to have a stashes of unsold ones. OR maybe I'm wrong and it's just because of this particular "season" product that N doesn't really gives a fuck priority about 8)
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: FamicomFreak on January 17, 2017, 06:17:28 pm
I was mad at how scarce they were here in the USA. I was lucky to get them both as gifts but still.... A lot of people still don't have them. Will the same thing happen with the Switch?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 18, 2017, 01:11:21 am
 



Yes the Switch is basically all sold out of pre-orders now.  So that's a real likelihood for launch, but they will make them a lot faster after that.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on January 18, 2017, 06:47:35 am
Yeah, but the Switch pre-orders weren't sold out within minutes.  It took like 2-3 days.  Basically if you wanted a Switch you had more than enough time to order and guarantee yourself one.  This is not the same case as the NES Classic.  Even with a lot of effort most people couldn't get one.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 18, 2017, 10:22:40 am
 



Over here they sold out in under a minute on one store, but they just allocated more over the days.  Yes it would seem they made hardly any NES minis considering.  Especially for the holiday period.  
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: UglyJoe on January 18, 2017, 01:06:14 pm
I'll never understand how Nintendo calculates their demand.  Retail stores should have been flooded with these things for Black Friday.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 18, 2017, 04:35:53 pm
I still desperately want one but at original price then I am gonna install the boot system hack. It would be amazing to have my favorite games in HD with saves and multi filters running on a official Nintendo product.

I am so impressed by the fact people have managed to flawlessly add their own games to it. I will of course only download games I own.  ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on January 19, 2017, 06:02:16 am
Quote from: UglyJoe on January 18, 2017, 01:06:14 pm
I'll never understand how Nintendo calculates their demand.  Retail stores should have been flooded with these things for Black Friday.


I was completely expecting that.  

I had a vision of walking into Walmart, grabbing one off the shelf, leaving, then going to Target next door, grabbing another one to keep closed forever.  I thought stores would have at least a good 50 each, that they would be sold out in a week, and that it would turn into a hot Christmas item.

Instead what happened is that I went to Walmart, waited at the door for 30 minutes with a good 10 other people wanting the same thing, then once the doors opened we learned that they only had 6 in stock to which I got completely shafted out of since employees there suck and gave one to everyone else.  Then I said, "Oh what the hell, I'll go to Target now", upon arriving was the second person in line waiting at the door to which I waited an hour and had the line grow to another good 10 people.  An employee comes to the door to say they only had 2 in stock which was a lie since each packing box holds 6.  Since I was second in line I was able to nab one.

I feel so lucky that all I had to do was wait an hour and in semi warm brisk fall NY weather and not wait 5-6 hours in freezing temps like some people are doing these days for one.

The sad part is that I'm pretty sure that at least 70% of the stock went to resellers.  There are so many scumbags on this earth who work as managers or are high ups in the department stores that received stock.  I know for a fact that a packing box holds 6 since I saw it with my own eyes them being taken out so when a store said that they had less than 6 in stock it meant that they got 6 exactly or 6+, decided to keep most for themselves, and allotted like 2 to the public to look like they weren't stealing.  I bet you most stores got around 16 consoles/2 boxes full of them which is still in itself inexcusable.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 19, 2017, 11:23:09 am
 



I am very surprised the US didn't have it for pre-order at all.  I mean, I get that they want people to go to stores, and that they would go right away to scalpers. 

But if they'd had pre-orders, they could have hurried up and made more.  And regardless, they mostly went to scalpers anyway right. 

Having said all that - the exact same thing happened to me when the Wii launched here - and I pre-ordered that too in store, because I knew someone there.

Even then they still had barely anything so I only just got one in the end, with the games and controllers factored in.  And it cost a lot for that privilege.

I pre-ordered the Switch like the NES mini the moment I could, to ensure I get one.  But actually, I'm not all that hyped about the Switch anymore.  I have very little time.

Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Raverrevolution on January 19, 2017, 11:59:06 am
Quote from: L___E___T on January 19, 2017, 11:23:09 am




I am very surprised the US didn't have it for pre-order at all.  I mean, I get that they want people to go to stores, and that they would go right away to scalpers. 

But if they'd had pre-orders, they could have hurried up and made more.  And regardless, they mostly went to scalpers anyway right. 

Having said all that - the exact same thing happened to me when the Wii launched here - and I pre-ordered that too in store, because I knew someone there.

Even then they still had barely anything so I only just got one in the end, with the games and controllers factored in.  And it cost a lot for that privilege.

I pre-ordered the Switch like the NES mini the moment I could, to ensure I get one.  But actually, I'm not all that hyped about the Switch anymore.  I have very little time.




Oh man, exactly the same thing with me!!  I pre-ordered the switch as well to get one, but when I found out that Zelda will be the best launch game, Mario game not coming out til holiday season, and basically nothing else confirmed in stone I'm not as excited.  I'm basically getting it in faith that it'll be good at this point, because the Wii U did so bad that I feel like they'll correct their mistakes and have a better second try.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 19, 2017, 04:55:57 pm
The biggest problem is there is no word from Nintendo about releasing more so this might have just become the rarest Nintendo console of all time. I sure hope that's not the case but it's been nearly a month without a new release set... if that ends up being the case then I will end up buying from a scalper as I like the idea of an official HD NES with proper visual and sound emulation.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 20, 2017, 01:19:54 am
 



I think they're just concentrating on Switch production and that is also  the main reason why these were dry in the first place.  There should be more - unless they are making a Vol.2
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 20, 2017, 04:09:01 am
I've heard they have decided to start working on a SNES Classic Mini instead, so likely the NES version was a special Christmas only item that they underestimated the potential sales for.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: FamicomRetroGamer on January 22, 2017, 10:16:10 am
It's fun to see the NES back in stores and people hyped up about it but I personally grew out of it. The Mini NES just consists of emulation and roms, yeah, legal emulation but it's still emulation. Decided to build a 3DS collection instead which was rather late but there are still a lot of good deals for sealed 3DS titles, imo.

With the Switch on the way, they should focus on the NS even moreso considering it has a terrible launch lineup of only one good game worth buying and playing -- Zelda.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: MWK on January 23, 2017, 03:33:32 pm
Quote from: FamicomRetroGamer on January 22, 2017, 10:16:10 am
The Mini NES just consists of emulation and roms, yeah, legal emulation but it's still emulation.


Bingo - that's why I'd stick to the Hi-Def NES kit from Kevtris 8)
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 23, 2017, 05:46:09 pm
The emulation is perfect and it gives options that I really like, and now you can hack it which gives me the ability to play all my games which is a large library instantly without needing to switch cartridges (it's also cheaper then buying a HD NES and flashcart combo).
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on January 23, 2017, 10:59:37 pm
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 23, 2017, 05:46:09 pm
The emulation is perfect

I don't believe there is such a thing for Famicom as a perfect emulator. There are highly accurate emulators but there are always some quirks they can't emulate (besides new quirks are discovered all the time).
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 24, 2017, 04:25:14 am
 


Oh I dunno, the AVS is looking pretty damn good, granted it's FPGA-based.  Definitely gonna have to pick one of those up at some point I think, in a year or so.

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Apparently these are coming back into stock in Limited numbers tomorrow.  Heads up.  I don't there'll be a finite supply, that would be idiotic.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: FamicomRetroGamer on January 26, 2017, 06:48:50 am
The Mini NES has started popping up at Smyths and other UK retailers so it was really just a matter of time and patience to get it for the original RRP or below the RRP. Smyths' clerk was right, January's the month that it's coming back in stock.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 28, 2017, 04:07:25 pm
So I ended up ordering a replica based on Raspberry Pi, and I think I like it better.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 29, 2017, 03:12:36 am
 



That looks pretty cool - are they available from somewhere or is it a custom?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 29, 2017, 05:05:52 am
Available on eBay but in very limited supply.
If you want one: http://m.ebay.com/itm/252737826747

It's an exact scaled replica of the NES Classic Edition but it's been 3D printed and has Raspberry Pi inside.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 29, 2017, 05:08:43 am
 



Thanks, might grab that - if I can get it over to England safely and cheaply :)
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 29, 2017, 05:14:39 am
The reviews from the other buyers beyond myself have been positive on his feedback, so I am excited about receiving mine. His case is literally an exact replica, and he's the only one who makes this version as he designed the case. I have seen other NES Raspberry Pi's but they were nowhere near as nice.


I also ordered black NES controller replicas as his version is Grey and Black rather then true NES colored.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: chowder on January 30, 2017, 01:37:06 am
Are you guys looking at other pictures?  The ones on the eBay listing make the case look pretty rough...

(https://s28.postimg.org/l4e5z7vbd/s_l1600.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/l4e5z7vbd/)

You can see the glue around the port.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 30, 2017, 06:09:33 am
Those are early prototype versions he made (he already sold those two); he's still working on them. Mine is not pictured and I had it custom worked.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on January 30, 2017, 06:59:35 am
 



The more I think about it, I think I will just make my own RetroPi arcade cabinet or something similar like that. 
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on January 31, 2017, 04:40:29 am
I actually plan to buy a USB arcade controls board because I have interest in atleast simulating the arcade experience.

As you can now see mine is of a much higher quality then earlier versions.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: BonBon on February 01, 2017, 12:21:04 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 31, 2017, 04:40:29 am
I actually plan to buy a USB arcade controls board because I have interest in atleast simulating the arcade experience.

As you can now see mine is of a much higher quality then earlier versions.

Is there only one controller port?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on February 23, 2017, 08:20:48 am
Has anyone tried out any third party gamepads that feel like the original? I missed the boat on the official ones, and I don't want to pay $40+ to scalpers.

I  don't have a mini, I just want a controller to play Mega Man 9/10 on.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on February 28, 2017, 03:37:10 am
Quote from: Jay-ray on February 01, 2017, 12:21:04 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 31, 2017, 04:40:29 am
I actually plan to buy a USB arcade controls board because I have interest in atleast simulating the arcade experience.

As you can now see mine is of a much higher quality then earlier versions.

Is there only one controller port?


Actually, the finished product looks like this. :)
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on March 06, 2017, 09:51:03 pm
I bought the Yok NES controller.

It feels just like an NES controller minus the concave buttons. My only problem with it is that for some reason it's not working with Legend of Zelda on the Virtual Console. :( It worked with Sonic the Hedgehog for Master System, so it does work on at least one Virtual Console game. ???

By the way, the Wii Classic Controller works just fine on Zelda, as well as another third party Mini controller that I ended up not keeping because I didn't like the button layout.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on March 27, 2017, 02:24:25 pm
Well I finally got an actual NES Classic Mini for $95, by watching closely for a decent deal.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: UglyJoe on April 13, 2017, 01:59:26 pm
Nintendo hates money, discontinues the NES Classic (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/04/nintendo-hates-money-discontinues-the-nes-classic/)

So I guess it'll be a long time before I ever get my hands on one, now ;D
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on April 13, 2017, 02:50:57 pm
 



Yikes, I'd better find a US one pretty sharpish then!  Damn it, why wouldn't they just keep making them, do you think it's the hacks?
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on April 13, 2017, 05:28:38 pm
They are going to have a price jump up for sure now that they are discontinued. I have personally hacked mine to play my favorite FDS games, favorite Famicom games and most of the NES games excluding kids games, lightgun games and sports games.  But many people have added SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, and all sorts of Gameboy games. I use Wii Classic Controller Pros, original NES classic controllers and the awesome Orzly RetroPads (as they are cheaper price then official NES Classic controllers but work well). I also have 2, 10ft controller cord extenders.

I was so impressed that I sold my Raspberry Pi 3 NES classic clone. NES Classic Edition was definitely discontinued once Nintendo saw just how easy it was for people to hack it into the best emulation station.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: P on April 14, 2017, 12:20:42 am
Well all consoles are eventually hacked so far, I think they just want to focus more on 3DS and Switch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on April 16, 2017, 03:36:20 pm
As per my expectations NES Classic Edition is once again selling for around $300 on eBay, so I am glad I found one for slightly under $100 before they were officially discontinued.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on April 17, 2017, 02:10:05 am
 



I was hoping to get a brand new US version to keep for the collection, but I'll leave it now. 

Thankfully, Manuel has kindly gotten two Famicom versions for me, so I can keep one and mod the other maybe.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Pikkon on April 17, 2017, 06:56:12 am
It's crazy how much there selling for now,good thing I got one,no way I would pay the insane price.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on April 17, 2017, 08:26:14 am
L__E__T, oh wow! You got two Famicom versions, you know you can also get mini disk systems for those also (they don't do anything but they are cool as you can install disk system games on these).
Title: Re:
Post by: UglyJoe on April 17, 2017, 08:37:54 am
I read an article suggesting that Nintendo released the minis just as a marketing ploy to get people talking about Nintendo before the Switch release. It's the most plausible explaination I've heard.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on April 23, 2017, 08:22:04 pm
So disappointed about this, I missed out cause my local game store fucked up my order and got me the controller instead on release. We got no public second waves of consoles here in Australia, just one retailer selling online to a select few because when they advertised the presales publicly their servers crashed constantly and no-one was able to order except for the scalper bots.

I wanted one of these so badly, ended up getting a Famicom Mini on release and i'm extremely happy with it, but Its shitty having the controller sitting on the shelf and nothing to use it with. Probably just going to sell it on ebay for $20 (the MSRP here in Australia) to get my money back
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Yelir on April 23, 2017, 09:47:26 pm
Quote from: L___E___T on April 17, 2017, 02:10:05 am




I was hoping to get a brand new US version to keep for the collection, but I'll leave it now. 

Thankfully, Manuel has kindly gotten two Famicom versions for me, so I can keep one and mod the other maybe.

Did he give you a fair price? I'm torn on ultimately getting either the NES or Famicom Mini, they would be for a machine away from home to play on. They are expensive on the local trading sites, or I can bite the bullet and get scalped online and have to pony up that much more money because of conversion to USD. It's really a lose-lose situation, but what do you do when you're addicted to video games!  :gamer:
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on April 23, 2017, 11:23:05 pm
Quote from: Arkanix38 on April 23, 2017, 08:22:04 pm
I missed out cause my local game store fucked up my order and got me the controller instead on release. Probably just going to sell it on ebay for $20 (the MSRP here in Australia) to get my money back

Wait, which controller is this? I've been looking for an official one.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on April 24, 2017, 03:51:47 am
The official one, probably just going to pop it on ebay.com.au because I'm loaded with my Masters Degree atm (hence my relative absence from the board) and don't want to screw around with International postage. Sorry guys.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: L___E___T on April 24, 2017, 10:46:28 am
 



I would consider keeping it if only for the Wii and Virtual Console reasons.  I bought an extra one just for that reason.
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: NintendoKing on April 24, 2017, 02:25:15 pm
I just took two busted NES controllers and placed the parts into my Orzly controllers, thus making nicer controllers for my NES mini. I now have 3 authentic looking controllers for my NES mini (the middle one is the official and that's easy to see because of the new looking decals rather then 30 something year old decals).
Title: Re: Nintendo Classic Mini Family Computer
Post by: Arkanix38 on April 24, 2017, 11:40:36 pm
I don't play NES VC games on Wii/Wii U, the only VC games I have at the moment are either on my DS or are Metroid Fusion on my Wii U