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Title: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: WF72 on January 03, 2016, 06:09:10 am
Is it? I'm buying a SuFami, and i just wanted to know.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: MaxXimus on January 03, 2016, 07:43:13 am
You'll need an adapter that bypasses region lock such as the super ufo flash cart.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: NintendoKing on January 03, 2016, 07:52:52 am
Awesome, I love my SuFami! I need to buy such a device myself at some point for sure.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: L___E___T on January 03, 2016, 09:26:00 am
 


 
I had the same question, but in the end I chose to just get a flashcart and be done with it.  

I picked up the Super UFO flash cart but it doesn't actually seem to work as an adaptor in the way I'd hoped (try reading online reviews).

In the end I picked up a SD2SNES in the Black Friday sale.  I believe it's arrived and is waiting for me at my office.  I'm looking forward to SNES CD type gaming and the flexibility of that cart!


Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: chowder on January 03, 2016, 11:20:09 am
Quote from: L___E___T on January 03, 2016, 09:26:00 am
I picked up the Super UFO flash cart but it doesn't actually seem to work as an adaptor in the way I'd hoped (try reading online reviews).


Yeah, I was looking forward to that functionality, but it just doesn't work.  The Super UFO is pretty slow, but does a reasonable enough job as a flashcart considering the price.  Love the cheesy menus/music too :D
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: MaxXimus on January 03, 2016, 12:38:04 pm
How would this work then? Do you copy the game to internal storage of the flash cartridge and then run it from there?
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: P on January 03, 2016, 01:40:17 pm
I heard the female cartridge connector on top of the UFO can only be used to dump SuFami carts, which is neat on it's own, but not what people might expect of it. They claim it's used for inserting a DSP-x game in order to use its chip for playing DSP games, but apparently they are lying about that.

Can it be used as a region converter too?


Quote from: SumixXam on January 03, 2016, 07:43:13 am
You'll need an adapter that bypasses region lock

Note that many games does a certain check at boot to see if it's running on an NTSC or PAL console, and then displays an out-of-region-error-screen if it is an out of region console. A region adapter doesn't help against those games.

When playing NTSC games on a PAL SNES they will run in the wrong speed (adapter or SD2SNES doesn't matter). You'd better play them on a PAL console or 60/50 Hz mod your system. Same for PAL games (that was PAL optimised) on NTSC console, it will run too fast. Many PAL games was never PAL optimised though, so they were always played at the "wrong" speed in PAL countries.

Personally I use my SuFami for NTSC games and my old PAL SNES for PAL games. No need for any adapters, and always correct speed.

Also yeah SD2SNES is region free, both physically (if you get a multi-region shell) and software-wise (it has the Super CIC), and can automatically patch the region check in games that uses that (not sure if it works for every game though).
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: Pikkon on January 03, 2016, 06:03:28 pm
You would need to install a supercic.

I have one in my pal snes and plays all of my pal and sfc/snes games great.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: TWIN on January 03, 2016, 06:27:01 pm
You need this:

http://twin-carts.pl/snes/action_replay_pro_2.jpg
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: MaxXimus on January 03, 2016, 08:33:15 pm
There you go. Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: P on January 04, 2016, 04:13:11 am
Quote from: Pikkon on January 03, 2016, 06:03:28 pm
You would need to install a supercic.

And the 60/50 Hz mod with a switch (to switch between 60/50). I'm pretty sure the Super CIC only takes care of the lockout, but it's better than a region adapter because supposedly all games works with it including SA-1 games.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: Cheetahmen on January 04, 2016, 04:18:37 am
I thought SNES games detected what region the system is and would correct the speed if it had to. From my limited experience playing NTSC games on my PAL SNES (using an Everdrive and playing some of the early games that don't have region lockout) they all seem to do that. Then again, I would get a SuperCIC if I knew anything about electronics.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: P on January 04, 2016, 04:25:03 am
Yeah I heard that too, but also the opposite, and a mod is needed (why else would people do the 60/50 Hz mod?).
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: Pikkon on January 04, 2016, 11:17:22 am
Quote from: P on January 04, 2016, 04:13:11 am
Quote from: Pikkon on January 03, 2016, 06:03:28 pm
You would need to install a supercic.

And the 60/50 Hz mod with a switch (to switch between 60/50). I'm pretty sure the Super CIC only takes care of the lockout, but it's better than a region adapter because supposedly all games works with it including SA-1 games.


It has some nice features.
http://www.eurasia.nu/shop/product_info.php?cPath=59&products_id=435
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: P on January 04, 2016, 02:39:10 pm
QuoteRegion can be set to 50Hz, 60Hz, or autodetect based on key CIC.

Surly this just refers to the region (NTSC/PAL) and not the actual speed? I did some quick googling, and it seems people still build the 50/60Hz switch circuit when installing a SuperCIC.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: Pikkon on January 04, 2016, 03:22:16 pm
You can switch between 50 and 60hz so there's no need to install any switches.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: P on January 05, 2016, 12:32:41 am
Then why are people still building that 50/60 Hz circuit in addition to installing the SuperCIC?
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: MaxXimus on January 05, 2016, 04:56:28 am
Perhaps better compatibility? I know with gamecube if you install a modchip you can read out of region games(NTSCU &NTSCJ) but without installing the region switch, there are compatibility issues. Not exactly the same, but I'm sure you see what I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: L___E___T on January 05, 2016, 06:01:18 am
 

That CIC chip looks like an auto region switch, perhaps some folks like the manual switch as well?
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: Pikkon on January 05, 2016, 11:44:09 am
To switch manually you use the reset button,other than that you can set it to auto switch.

Also I can play all of my super fami games that uses special chips,like mario rpg and kirby,there's not one game that has not worked.
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: P on January 05, 2016, 02:33:22 pm
Yeah the SuperCIC has manual mode too, and works with SA-1 games (Super Mario RPG, the two Kirby games...) that doesn't work if you just disable the lockout chip.

Hmm it seems it can change D4 of $213F (the 60/50 Hz bit). That should take care of the "This game is not designed blablabla"-screen, and I guess speed. PAL machines have a slightly different clock speed from NTSC machines but maybe that's negligible. It's not like PAL NES that is more like a 50 Hz Famiclone with a different CPU and PPU. :-[
Title: Re: is it possible to play european SNES games on a super Famicom?
Post by: P on January 11, 2016, 02:30:01 am
I investigated some more and it seems this 50/60 Hz mod that people do with the SuperCIC is just some extra circuitry you need to build if you have a 1CHIP or Junior/Mini console. It can automatically set the framerate based on the current CIC setting (NTSC/PAL) I guess.