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Title: Power issue (NES EXP)
Post by: Dark_human on September 20, 2016, 06:45:47 am
I've connected controllers to the EXP port on the bottom side of my NES. The controllers work great, however if I attach an LED to the equation, it lights up (only if controllers are connected) and makes the controllers unresponsive.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong??  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: LED issue (NES EXP)
Post by: xIceMan on September 20, 2016, 06:46:40 am
Without pictures or how you're connecting the LED it's impossible to find out what's wrong..
Title: Re: LED issue (NES EXP)
Post by: Dark_human on September 20, 2016, 08:11:02 am
They are daisy chained straight out to the exp port. I'm adding an led between +5V and ground, with a resistor.   If I remove the led & resistor controllers work great. If I wire it straight to the back of an snes controller port PCB (the one with the onboard led/resistor) it lights up and kills my input still. Can add pics soon
Title: Re: LED issue (NES EXP)
Post by: xIceMan on September 20, 2016, 09:38:11 am
Try it without resistor, usually the LED doesn't burn (eventhough it's not healthy either). Most likely error with resistor cause of controller latch, if I'm not wrong.
Title: Re: LED issue (NES EXP)
Post by: Dark_human on September 20, 2016, 10:41:34 am
Hmm, interesting. (https://i.imgsafe.org/1780ac8a67.jpeg)
Adaptor from exp
(https://i.imgsafe.org/17aaa7ae38.jpeg)
Connected straight into NES controllers...
(https://i.imgsafe.org/17af316925.jpeg)
Then into the snes controllers...
(https://i.imgsafe.org/17b08269df.jpeg)

The led that messed everything up. Cut the +5V and my NES controllers work again

Post Merge: September 20, 2016, 07:35:12 pm

Removed the resistor. Led lights up only when controller is inserted and still doesn't work.
Title: Re: LED issue (NES EXP)
Post by: Dark_human on September 25, 2016, 02:20:58 pm
Update: I pulled the resistor and the led still lights up, and it's still messing up the controls.
The led is removed, NES p1 & p2 work. Snes controllers almost work --> so I found my voltomiter and this is what I've learned. The exp port without anything hooked up outputs 0V.
Connect a single NES controller gives you 2.8V from the 5V line. Not enough to power a single NES controller. Almost: three inputs work. Mario could run right and jump. Jumping while shooting down right in contra will trigger start. Excessive button inputs trigger a change to clock. (Connecting 5v to clock in contra for example fires a shot. )
Connecting a second controller draws 3V. Enough for either controller to easily work 100%.
NES max controller needs more than 3V and still doesn't work right.

Connecting a SNES controller alone draws under 2.5V. Not enough to do anything than make a change to clock with any button press (single shot fired).
Adding a NES controller brings it up to 2.5V(likewise adding a snes controller with a 2.8V nes controller drops it to 2.5). Enough to nearly control using the snes controller, but still changes clock to trigger start. With 2/NES and a snes controller plugged in there's still a voltage drop that messes up the NES controls. But only on the same controller.

No wonder a single led would draw all the power from the line. Any EXP port output needs a voltage amplifier/regulator.  Adding that next