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Family Computer => Famicom / Disk System => Topic started by: Stan on September 10, 2006, 03:58:16 pm

Title: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: Stan on September 10, 2006, 03:58:16 pm
Okay, I want to see what people think about this so we can figure out what route is the best.  If you look on the Disk list, for example, you'll see a game called Big Challenge!  Go Go Bowling.  Techinically, though they do mean "bowling," in Japanese they have no phoneme (sound unit) to equal the English "l" as it appears at the end of that word.  Thus, the actual title is Big Challenge! Go Go Bowring.  Should we try to stick with original transliteration or go for the translation in some cases?
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: JC on September 10, 2006, 04:41:24 pm
Maybe the simpliest way for me to put it is that the translation we use on our lists should be the one that is clearest to English speaking gamers. "Bowring" doesn't tell me the game is about bowling. If they mean "Bowling," let's go with that. Let's avoid the confusion. Same with the Bubble Bobble title, I think.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: Stan on September 10, 2006, 07:27:05 pm
Good idea, maybe if and when you add notes or whatever later we can make it know.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: featherplucknfilms on September 12, 2006, 12:15:58 am
bowling in japanese is boringu.  a lot of english words are used in japanese and just made to be japanese words with there pronunciation and "alphabet".  These words even have a separate "alphabet" so you know they were taken from english or another language.  I think the best way and the way that seems to be done all the time in romanized japanese titles is to translate the originally english words back into english.  It makes much more sense.  You definitely don't want o be reading and trying to figure out what "basubaru suta" or "donarudo rando" is, anyone?
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: manuel on September 12, 2006, 02:38:57 am
You bean beesubooru sutaa? That would be Baseball Star,  And Donarudo Rando is Donald Land. ;D

I'd also say leaving English words in the original English spelling is the best way.
As already stated above, Bowling would be "booringu" (ボーリング)
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: featherplucknfilms on September 12, 2006, 09:15:59 am
pin pon...that was too easy for you manuel.  and the american counterparts, baseball stars and mc kids.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: Toneman on September 12, 2006, 09:37:34 am
Yeah I can read some katakana really good, that's how I made my Bahamut Lagoon battle videos on YouTube. Most of the time it's like playing a game of mad gab with the Japanese pronunciations, the more you keep repeating it to yourself, the sounds become clearer.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: manuel on September 12, 2006, 03:39:31 pm
Quote from: featherpluckinfilm on September 12, 2006, 09:15:59 am
pin pon...that was too easy for you manuel.  and the american counterparts, baseball stars and mc kids.


ワーイ!
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Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: Stan on September 12, 2006, 08:34:53 pm
Sounds great guys, I agree after seeing how some of the transliterated titles may confuse people.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: Doc on September 13, 2006, 03:31:15 pm
LOL, it's interesting seeing you two trade Japanese names back and forth actually. What's the Japanese way to say "Sweet Home"?
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: featherplucknfilms on September 14, 2006, 01:28:25 am
suiito houmu
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: Doc on September 14, 2006, 10:40:23 am
That's exactly how it sounds on the commercial...lol awesome!
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: JC on October 19, 2006, 08:29:41 pm
I want to have this debate again, but from a slightly different angle.

Famicom World is intended to be an English-language source of Famicom information. Yet, when you look at the games lists, you see a lot of games that still are not fully translated into English. In other words, you see games like: $1,000,000 Kid: Maboroshi no Teiou Hen, or Valkyrie no Bouken: Toki no Kagi Densetsu. I don't know about you, but when I look at titles like that, they're meaningless.

The games lists are a bit schizophrenic. Some of the titles are in English and some aren't. I think all the games should be written in English. I understand that some games are widely known by names that have been used for years; I don't want the list to confuse people (so perhaps we can still list somewhere the most commonly used name for each game). I think we should translate all of these games into an English that represents the most accurate names for each game, and in a sense, create a new way of speaking about some of these games.

Agree or disagree?
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: manuel on October 20, 2006, 02:15:03 pm
I'd say let the names as they are and add an English translation in brackets.
If you need translations, you know who to contact. ;)
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: JC on October 20, 2006, 10:39:48 pm
Aahhh you're in opposition just because you can speak it. :P

And I may take you up on that offer to help translate the names. Don't know what we'd do without you. (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/jerahcordova/icon_pray.gif)
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: manuel on October 21, 2006, 06:30:38 am
Ha!  ;D
I'm in oppposition because lots of people who might do a (google) search would probably search for the original transcribed titles. That's why maybe a solution with a translated title in brackets might be good.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: JC on October 21, 2006, 12:19:31 pm
See and I'd do it the opposite way. I've put out tranlsation of each title as the main title and then leave the common titles in brackets or in a pop up or something. I hear you on Google searches. I would prefer people be able use a search engine and find the game on our site. So, you're right that the common titles have to remain listed somewhere.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: manuel on October 21, 2006, 01:19:54 pm
That way might be ok, too. If you list both original title and translated one together, then that should be ok.
Title: Re: Game Titles and Japanese/English Phonemes
Post by: JC on October 25, 2006, 05:50:24 pm
I have one of those Japanese/English Famicom photo books on the way, so I'll see how they list the games and then perhaps follow suit. I imagine that book's list is the most accurate for all released games and it may be best to use that list's method for titles.