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Family Computer => Famicom / Disk System => Topic started by: nintendodork on May 28, 2009, 02:46:27 pm

Title: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 28, 2009, 02:46:27 pm
I think I read about someone on this forum ripping a single game from a ROM of a multicart, and putting it into it's own.  How easy is this?  Because I wanted to try it on a couple games.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on May 28, 2009, 02:58:28 pm
Is it very often that we find games on multicarts that aren't found on their own?

I would think that putting same mapper games on multicarts that exist for them more demanding... it's been done before. :-\
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 28, 2009, 03:07:35 pm
I mainly asked because I wanted to rip SMW from the 45-in-1 ROM I have.  I could turn it into it's own .NES file, and put it into a cart.  I was thinking of doing this with Pandamar, too.  But they're different mappers.  So they couldn't go in the same cart (I think)
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on May 28, 2009, 03:09:30 pm
Is this SMW you speak of unique from other SMWs? This would be a question best asked at NESDev.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: JC on May 28, 2009, 03:10:13 pm
Pandamar's been done.

EDIT: Actually, both have been done.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 28, 2009, 03:45:22 pm
/\ Do you have any links to where I could buy them, or download ROMs?  If you do, PM me.

Also,
Quote from: Jedi QuestMaster on May 28, 2009, 03:09:30 pm
Is this SMW you speak of unique from other SMWs? This would be a question best asked at NESDev.
I'm talking about the one specifically on the JY Company 45-in-1, since that's the only one I know that has the full game on it.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: UglyJoe on May 28, 2009, 05:57:53 pm
Well, the rom for the multicart needs to be dumped, first.  I did the Pandamar one and could possibly do the SMW one (although finding the data for a pirate original will be a bit harder than finding the data for a hack...).
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 28, 2009, 06:01:17 pm
I have the 45-in-1 ROM if that's what you want..
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: son_ov_hades on May 28, 2009, 06:07:23 pm
I have a rom of the full SMW if you're interested.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: UglyJoe on May 28, 2009, 06:12:30 pm
Ah, well if it's already in its own ROM, there's no sense in me trying to separate it out of a multicart :P
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 28, 2009, 06:22:10 pm
PM'd Son_ov_hades and UglyJoe
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: JC on May 28, 2009, 07:16:05 pm
Um. I kinda had already said SMW full existed as it's own ROM. :P CaH4e3 site has almost everything.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Blue Protoman on May 29, 2009, 05:59:55 am
Most of his dumps don't work on my emulator.  At least not the ones I've played so far.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: UglyJoe on May 29, 2009, 07:37:07 am
Try using FCEUX.  It's not the most accurate emulator out there, but it stays up-to-date with pirate mappers.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Blue Protoman on May 29, 2009, 07:50:37 am
1. Not the most accurate?

2. Is that for PC?  My laptop's broken, so that's not an option.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: UglyJoe on May 29, 2009, 07:59:47 am
Oh, forgot what forum I was in.  You probably don't care about accuracy.

It's PC/Linux only, afaik, there might be other ports out there, though.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: FamicomFreak on May 29, 2009, 08:03:15 am
You can rip it and all but it's not that easy to place it on a cart. I have tried it before with a friend so good luck and if you do I'll get one of the repros!
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 29, 2009, 08:29:14 am
I wasn't going to do it myself, seeing as I have absolutely no experience in that kind of stuff, so I was just gonna send the ROM to gamereproductions and have it done there...I'll need to find a cheaper alternative for Pandamar.  There's no way I'm spending $30 on that!...


Actually, I forgot I had money, I think I may just get a PowerPak.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: FamicomFreak on May 29, 2009, 08:40:05 am
Yeah do that. I tried it with mario 8, SMW, and others that could be worth making a repro of and they all failed. There is something about the code that makes them unreproducible
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: UglyJoe on May 29, 2009, 08:45:48 am
Quote from: nintendodork on May 29, 2009, 08:29:14 am
Actually, I forgot I had money, I think I may just get a PowerPak.


Pandamar will work on a PowerPak, but I'm 99% certain that SMW won't.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 29, 2009, 09:12:17 am
Yeah, you're probably right.  I could check the mapper in Nestopia, but when I *obtained* the SMW file, it automatically opened in VirtuaNES, and whenever I try and right click and click "Open with" and select Nestopia, it doesn't show up, and just opens it in VirtuaNES
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Blue Protoman on May 30, 2009, 08:01:55 am
Quote from: UglyJoe on May 29, 2009, 07:59:47 am
Oh, forgot what forum I was in.  You probably don't care about accuracy.

It's PC/Linux only, afaik, there might be other ports out there, though.


I still don't know what you mean by accuracy in an emulator.  The method I play it?  I have a USB gamepad.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: UglyJoe on May 30, 2009, 08:33:52 am
Accuracy refers to how accurately it emulates the NES hardware and cartridge hardware.  Most emulators (FCE* included) are more concerned with getting the games to play at all, and not so much concerned with acting exactly like the real hardware.  This mindset is a holdover from the 486/Pentium I days when it was infeasible for an emulator to be 99% accurate.  They had to sacrifice accuracy for speed so that they would run at all on the hardware they had.

This is more of an issue in the rom hacking scene, since you have hacks that will work in emulator X, but not on the real hardware, because the emulator is not being accurate.

Nestopia (http://nestopia.sourceforge.net/) and Nintendulator (http://www.qmtpro.com/~nes/nintendulator/) are considered accurate emulators (not that they're 100% accurate, but their goal is to be as accurate as possible -- these are as close as it gets).
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Blue Protoman on May 30, 2009, 09:19:17 am
Ah.  So, accuracy includes slowdown, flicker, and everything.  Emulation is more complex than I thought.  Yeah, I prefer being able to play the games over accuracy.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: 133MHz on May 30, 2009, 10:03:19 am
But for being able to play weird pirate games, you need as much accuracy as you can get :P.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Blue Protoman on May 30, 2009, 10:10:56 am
Dammit.  Those emus are for PC, and my laptop is broken beyond repair.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: nintendodork on May 30, 2009, 10:12:34 am
Unless you have the Homebrew Channel and a lot of patience, I'm afraid you're going to be without an emulator.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Blue Protoman on May 30, 2009, 11:06:42 am
No, I'm against homebrew and piracy on consoles with upgradeable firmware.  Brick potential.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: 133MHz on May 30, 2009, 11:15:52 am
Does that mean you like your homebrew and piracy on consoles w/o upgradeable firmware? So you like soldering modchips and replacing BIOSes huh?
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Blue Protoman on May 30, 2009, 11:26:13 am
No, that means I'd rather use my GP2X, PC, or Dreamcast.
Title: Re: Question about multicarts (sort of)
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on May 31, 2009, 10:26:43 pm
Does anyone know if the Donkey Kong Country 4 (not the new game, the FC pirate) rom is available as just DK4 & not DK4 + Jungle Book 2?