Talk about it here!
I'm thinking about buying one. Are there any major differences between the model 1 and model 2 that I should know about? I know about the sound being slightly better in the first one, but it's really big, and if the sound isn't that noticeable, I'm leaning towards a model 2 unless someone has something to say against it.
From the top of my head...
* Both of them have non-standard video outputs. The Genesis 1 uses a standard DIN connector which is easily obtainable from any respectable electronics dealer. The Genesis 2 uses a Mini-DIN 9 connector which is completely non standard and you won't find it anywhere.
If you get a Genesis 1 without an AV cable, you can make it yourself.
If you get a Genesis 2 without an AV cable and you can't find one, you're SOL (unless you mod the console).
* It's easier to get a CD unit for the Model 2 Genesis.
Model 1 looks so much better.
Quote from: 133MHz on June 27, 2009, 09:35:21 pm
If you get a Genesis 2 without an AV cable and you can't find one, you're SOL (unless you mod the console).
3rd party ones are pretty easy to find. This one says it'll work with model 2 or 3.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Standard-AV-Cable-for-Sega-Genesis-2-3_W0QQitemZ220441820408QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Accessories?hash=item33535b3cf8&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12
I hate using RF, so if this will work, I'll get a model 2 :P
Model 1 has headphone jack.
Model 1 looks so much better.
I already have 2 Model 1 Japanese Mega Drives.
Model 1 > Model 2
Honestly, the model 1 had better feature on it, despite it being a tad bit bigger. IMO, the Sega CD addon for the Model 1 looked better.
Also, the "power base converter" only works with the first Genesis... I'm not sure if playing Master System games is a benefit or not, but there you have it!
Model 1 doesn't look like crap, even if it's a bit bulkier.
Go with model 1.
However if you want to play a 32x game, model 2 is easier to use with it from what I understand.
Quote from: Rob64 on June 28, 2009, 09:41:31 am
Go with model 1.
However if you want to play a 32x game, model 2 is easier to use with it from what I understand.
IF is the key word there. :P
Well... Metal Head for the 32X was pretty good.
Quote from: Christine on June 28, 2009, 06:32:57 am
Also, the "power base converter" only works with the first Genesis... I'm not sure if playing Master System games is a benefit or not, but there you have it!
What stops the model 2 from this?
EDIT* From Googling, I've seen that it's only because of the shape. Could I use a Game Genie to fix that?
you might be able to but I'd go with a model 1 if I wanted to use the power base.
Ok so pros and cons
Model 1 Pros
Power base converter
More standardized connections.
Better sound output
it looks sexy with the model 1 cd
CONS
Bulkier
32x needs clips to work on this.
harder to find the model 1 (not ALOT but just a bit!)
mono sound output
Model 2 pros
Less bulky and a little more streamlined
works well with the(slightly)easier to find sega cd 2
Look kinda funny/kinda cool when its all set up with the 32x and cd model 2
Stereo sound output
Model 2 cons
No power base converter
Less standardized connection types
sound quality isn't as good.
Ok so theres those two, but if you dont intend to use the 32x or sega cd you can do what I did and get a genesis 3, tiny, and plays genesis games, thats all I need.
Well, if you look in the finds thread, you'll see that I already bought a model 2 :P So, with that in mind, I go back to my first question. Couldn't I just use a Game Genie without any codes to make it work? If it's just the shape, then I could use the same approach as people do with Japanese MegaDrive games on a North American Genesis.
I don't think the power base converter works with a Game Genie, because it essentially turns the 68000 off and the system runs on the Z80.
Ah, so my only choice would be to do a case mod. From what I've heard, it isn't that hard.
I just uploaded an un-boxing video. Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh5jvMXcQFg
EDIT* Also, does anyone know if Genesis flashcarts exist? If so, does anyone know where to get one?
http://www.raphnet.net/electronique/genesis_cart/genesis_cart_en.php It looks like you'll have to make one.
There are Genesis copiers just like SNES copiers for dumping/playing ROMs to/from floppy disks. The most common is the Super Magic Drive, or SMD for short.
personally i have both a genesis 1 and 2 and i like the look of the first one and all but the second hooks up so much better to the cd and the 32x. i wish i had an original sega cd but those are few and far between. i found a 2nd gen genesis + sega cd today at the flea market. selling the genesis if anyone wants it.
Had one original Sega CD and sold it. Got another one in but it was busted. (I still have it... Wish I knew how to fix the darn thing.)
I have 3 Sega Genesis.
Two model 1's and one model 2.
I do have the power base converter but I still need to pickup some sms games.
Alright, so I just bought a Sega CD in Omaha. I'm at my cousin's now, so pics will come later. It's a model 1, and I know that the physical shape isn't a problem. Anyway. I haven't tested it yet, but when I shake it, there's something rattling inside..AND instead of an actual official adapter...they gave me the PBC adapter. It fits, but I have no idea if it will work. There are also composite inputs on the back, but I didn't get any AV cables. I thought the SCD only needed a power supply. So, with this in mind, I have a few questions:
- Will the PBC power supply work with this?
- Do I need composite cables?
- What is the most probable cause of the rattling inside?
Thanks in advance for any help.
DEPENDING on the voltage, I -think- it will work.
It's been a while since I fussed with mine in a while but composite cables arent needed IIRC. Just make sure the Sega CD and Genesis are FIRMLY hooked together.You just have to have the AV cables in the SCD.
As for the rattling, that could be anything really. From a screw to a piece of plastic inside to a part that will make it so it doesnt work.
For starting it up, both the Genesis and the Sega CD need power supplies. Make sure the Genesis DOESN'T have a game in it and power the Genesis on. If you get the Sega CD insert CD screen you did everything right. If you didn't, you didn't hook it up correctly.
I hope this helps.
make sure you hear the startup music too. when i first hooked mine up i did it wrong and i only heard like small sound effects no music.
Ok, I got it to power on...and the disc tray opens, but when I put in a disc and shut it, it opens back up! What could this mean?
sounds like what happened to my cousins. idk what to tell you. thats my only problem with model ones is that they have small problems.
I can't even open it up all the way to see what's inside because of the Genesis connector on the right side. Something tells me I'll have to take this back and just keep looking for a model 2. :-\ :(
You could always sell the model 1 SCD for some cash so you can FIND a model 2.
How much did you pay for it?
$20, but I can return it within 30 days, but I'll most likely get store credit for it. Which will be nice, since they're always getting more stuff in. While we're on the subject of the model 2, does the PBC power supply also work with the model 2? In other words, do the model 1 and model 2 use the same power adapter?
That I'm not really sure of. I know the model 1 Genesis and SCD take the same power adapter, but I'm not sure they will work in a model 2. I remember someone saying on another board I go to that it works, but don't take my word for it.
No,a model 1 and model 2 use different power adapters.
Just to clarify, I meant model one and model two Sega CD, not Genesis, if either of you didn't catch that. :-[
I just read up on it and yes, both the Model 1 and Model 2 SCD's take different power supplies.
If you're looking for a model 2 i'm sure a model 2 genesis adapter will work.
im not sure of that one. lol. my sega Cd model 2 adapter is:
(+)---( )---( - ) and
input: 120V 60Hz 15W
output: 9V DC 1A
the sega genesis model 2s power is:
( - )---( )---(+) and
input: 120V 60Hz 15W
output: 10V DC 0.85A
Ahh ok,but here is your answer.
A model 2 sega cd uses the same ac adapter as a model 1 sega cd.
My PBC power supply is exactly the same as Jollie's Sega CD model 2 power supply. So the PBC power supply works with both of them. Cool!
quick question were you using a model 1 or 2 on your sega cd 1?
Model 2 Sega Genesis w/ original model 2 power supply
Model 1 Sega CD w/ PBC power supply
Sega Nomad is still my very favorite, Sega Genesis model.
Ok, so now, after I get a working Sega CD, I want to get a 32x (no jokes please), and apparently, it's total GAR-BITCH (okay, just one) and takes forever to hook up. I looked up guides on how to do this, but most of them talk about hooking it up to the model 1, and they talk about another set of AV cables. Do I seriously need two sets of composite cables AND another power supply? Or am I reading this wrong? Is it like the FDS where I have to connect the 32x to the Genesis 2 with AV cables, or do I not need AV cables at all, and instead some weird cable that only Sega could think of?
You need to run a patch cable from the Sega Genesis to the 32X and then plug your AV cable into the 32X. And yes, you need yet another power adapter.
Oh, that sounds more straightforward. One set of composite cables plugged from the 32x to the TV, one cable connecting the 32x to the Genesis...
and yet another power adapter...
Thanks..I guess :-\ :P
here check this out if you havent seen it http://my.ais.net/~xtreme/SF/SCD/SCD2.html (http://my.ais.net/~xtreme/SF/SCD/SCD2.html)
hope it helps
btw: im looking for one too even if it is total garbage. knuckles chaotix and the doom with 7 missing levels are still cool.
Honestly, the 32x isnt worth it. It's only got about 30-40 games for it. None of them are really worth playing at all.
Not to mention it's a rather large energy hog. It's just bad. Really bad.
Quote from: TanookiSuitSam on July 15, 2009, 01:56:00 pm
None of them are really worth playing at all.
Wrong. There are a couple of games that are worth playing. And they're pretty cheap since everyone thinks like you do.
I saw the 32x is worth it. I just got one last week and have been having so much fun with Doom 32x. I'll have to check out other games as well!
Quote from: UglyJoe on July 15, 2009, 02:11:55 pm
Quote from: TanookiSuitSam on July 15, 2009, 01:56:00 pm
None of them are really worth playing at all.
Wrong. There are a couple of games that are worth playing. And they're pretty cheap since everyone thinks like you do.
That's all a matter of opinion. I personally dont think Knuckles Chaotix, Virtua Fighter or Star Wars arent worth the cash. I also heard that the cable that hooks into the Genesis and 32x are a pain to find so I'd rather not even try it.
Quote from: FamicomFreak on July 15, 2009, 02:17:30 pm
I saw the 32x is worth it. I just got one last week and have been having so much fun with Doom 32x. I'll have to check out other games as well!
I can play Doom on my computer. It's a lot more fun on the computer since the quality and music don't suck.
Quote from: TanookiSuitSam on July 15, 2009, 06:21:13 pm
That's all a matter of opinion. I personally dont think Knuckles Chaotix, Virtua Fighter or Star Wars arent worth the cash. I also heard that the cable that hooks into the Genesis and 32x are a pain to find so I'd rather not even try it.
You don't think any of those games are worth $1.50? ::) 32x games aren't hard to find at all. I've also seem 3rd party connector cables on various sites for around $7 a pop, so that, other than the systems themselves, will be the most expensive part of most of your
Genesis collection in general.
Yes they aren't worth my $1.50 . I can get better games with the 1.50 combined rather then waste them on crappy games. :P
As the cables go, well that does seem to be a lot better. A while ago I remember those third party cables were none existant.
Wow first time I heard of the 3rd party cables. I wouldn't have gotten the 32x unless I got a good deal on it which I did and I got the 32x game doom for 95 cents better than spending 1.50 right? I didn't even knew I got a 32x with the genesis console since it was wrapped up with a lot of tape so it was luck after all. I did tried the so called cult classic Night trap which also cost me 95 cents. I wouldn't have paid full price for these titles to begin with har har har. I only think a 32x is worth it if you get a sweet deal on it.
i have a genesis 1 and 2
same here but im selling one of my sega genesis model 2s and my genesis 1 and buying a hi def graphics version of the genesis 1 with the ext port. and i might get a 32x boxed copy of doom and a sega saturn this friday.
Somebody should buy this Sega Genesis. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=300330656400#ht_500wt_924)
Seriously. ._.
I'm out of money and i dont like the model 2.
if somebody from this forum buys it I'll throw in an extra controller.
End of advertisement. >_>
What's this about a hi definition graphic version?
I got one of the hi def graphics Genesis.
The first model 1 Sega Genesis say high definition graphics right on them,plus there missing the TMSS at start up,the later model ones don't say high definition graphics and is missing the useless ext port.
More info here.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Sega-Genesis-Buying-Guide-PT-1_W0QQugidZ10000000009836495
HIGH DEFINITITION GRAPHICS MODEL
TMSS-equipped Genesis Model 1s have a shorter FCC ID. Some people are especially picky if their Genesis Model 1 has TMSS or not. For the tech savvy, Non-TMSS consoles contain motherboard revision VA0-VA4, and TMSS consoles contain motherboard revision VA5 or VA6.
Video encoder/video quality: All High Definition Graphics Genesis Model 1s sport either a Sony CXA1145 or Fujitsu MB3514 video encoder. This generally results in slightly blurry Composite video, but the colors are vivid and the image is clear. However, Non-TMSS High Definition Graphics Genesis Model 1s have a slight issue with "rainbow banding," where you'll see bands of rainbow colors on the screen. This isn't very noticeable, so it's easily ignored.
Sound circuitry/sound quality: The High Definition Graphics Genesis Model 1 uses 2 separate sound circuits for Mono and Stereo sound. Those circuits filter the sound a little, producing very high bass. The quality of the sound output is phenomenal.
NON HIGH DEFININTION GRAPHICS MODEL
Pretty much as the name describes: a Genesis Model 1 with "High Definition Graphics" removed. Like with the High Definition Graphics model, two variants of the Non-High Definition Graphics model exist, and you must be made aware of how to tell them apart, as one of them is a real stinker.
Here's how to tell them apart. First, keep the hookups of the High Definition Graphics model in mind:
the hookups placed exactly like the High Definition Graphics model, but the hole where the EXT port is supposed to be is covered because the port is removed. This has a VA6 motherboard with the EXT port and all surrounding circuitry removed.
But this is the one to watch out for
STAY AWAY FROM THIS MODEL! This is the dreaded Genesis Model 1 with a VA7 motherboard. Have a look at the "Sound circuitry/sound quality" section.
Video encoder/video quality: It's the same deal like the High Definition Graphics model with TMSS.
Sound circuitry/sound quality: The VA6 Non-High Definition Graphics Genesis Model 1 uses the same sound circuitry as the High Definition Graphics model, resulting in crisp, high-bass sound output. The VA7 is an entirely different story: it uses a completely different sound circuit that results in really nasty sound. It sounds like an emulator's sound quality was set to the lowest possible setting; it's flat, muffled, distorted, and worst of all, there's an annoying hissing sound in the background(static).
(copied from sega-16 forum)
Oh,, that's what that means? Cool, I have the Hi-definition one.
Same here. I never knew about these differences all throughout the 90's
so i bought another sega genesis today and it turns on but the picture does not appear on the screen the switch is on the right channel and everything looks intact. but is just comes up black. any help?
Dirty cart slot?
nope cleaned it with alcohol.
Had a sick day today and dusted off the mega drive played golden axe,shinobi,desert strike and altered beast and after six hours of playing i realised how timeless these games are and i can never sell my mega drive collection in fact i will have to start buying more games while they are still cheap.
weee. i just got a sega megadrive model 1 today xD i'm so happy :)
by the way. i've joined SEGA fan club in facebook and they announce that its Genesis 20th BDAY this coming Friday :o :o
wow genesis rocks! Happy early birthday!
The Japanese Mega Drive had its 20th anniversary last year in October. I have the issue of classic gaming magazine "Game Side" commemorating that.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SEGA GENESIS!
Wow that's a lot of years ago. It only reminds me how old I'm getting sob sob
*pats FamicomFreak
your not alone ;D
D:
Ahh Your not old. ::)
You young whippersnappers who are still in their 20s or even younger... ehem...
Just broke in my new Mega CD, tho I probably could have picked something better as an inaugural game than Funky Horror Band. LOL But it so far doesn't seem quite as bad as people make it out to be. Not GOOD mind you, but not even close to being the worst RPG I've ever played (I'm lookin' at you, Drakkhen).
Quote from: MS-DOS4 on August 17, 2009, 03:03:04 am
Ahh Your not old. ::)
Awww that's so sweet! :P
Anyways, I checked out the star wars arcade game for the 32x today....it's very interesting. Oh yeah about that RPG for the sega cd hmmm sounds interesting. I might check it out.