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Title: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 19, 2009, 12:21:30 pm
I'm trying to do a movie poster, & I'm going to need to either find/render an image of the Metal Gear from Metal Gear for the NES/MSX or Snake's Revenge.

Can anyone help me out? :(

I tried all over Google.  I could also use a model toy or 3DS max model if one exists.

Otherwise I'll need to somehow render one out of scratch.  If anyone knows how I could do that, I'd really appreciate it!
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on November 19, 2009, 07:16:33 pm
(http://starwarsmastersith.blog.playersrepublic.fr/images/medium_Metal_Gear_TX-55.gif)

Are you talking about this chap?

(http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee349/mgsnakeRPJ22/MetalGearTX-55.png)

I couldn't find anything high res, but here's what I did find:

http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/Metal_Gear_D_specs.png

http://mgs13.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/180px-metal_gear_d.jpg
http://www.ugo.com/games/metal-gear-solid-characters/images/metal-gear-d.jpg

All these were google sourced - what did you search for?  I'm not sure how useful they are as they're all low res  -  but I figure it's a good base to redraw from if time permits?
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 19, 2009, 08:46:31 pm
The problem is I'm trying to make a realistic movie poster.  Not so much a drawing as a real life-like-looking thing.  That's why I could also use a model if one existed.

But thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: UglyJoe on November 19, 2009, 09:45:18 pm
This is the best 2d version that I could find:

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/File:Tx-55metalgear.jpg (http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/File:Tx-55metalgear.jpg)

With the right filters, it could look semi-realistic -- that is, if the jpeg compression hadn't crushed it so badly.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on November 20, 2009, 05:59:54 am
Hmmm I wonder if you could kit bash one up, how good are you at modelling?  If you could do that you could photograph with a macro to get exactly what you want, like these perhaps?

http://www.fantasyanime.com/squaresoft/fm_pic02.jpg


http://www.fantasyanime.com/squaresoft/fm_pic05.jpg

http://www.fantasyanime.com/squaresoft/fm_pic13.jpg

May be worth a shot rather than build a model in 3DS
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 20, 2009, 11:05:49 am
You mean build one out of scratch? :o

I think I would need more than just those two diagrams.

I think I'll render a 2D version myself & make the poster look sort of like the style of First Blood's:

http://www.idave.com/pka106.jpg

The Metal Gear MKII from Snatcher looks pretty close in style to the TX as well. :-\
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on November 20, 2009, 11:17:20 am
I think your plan is solid and I can't wait to see it!! :)
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 22, 2009, 01:19:18 pm
Thank you so much, UglyJoe!

A small file goes such a long way!

I had to resize the image almost 400% (which looked horrible); posterize it, add a blurred, darkened layer to that; then an overlay to that; & finally a chrome-textured "color burn" layer to that, & finally got this:

(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr343/JediQuestMaster/MetalGearcopy.jpg)

It's not finished yet; I'm going to add some foliage in front of the Metal Gear so you won't see the entire thing, & the parts you do see will be touched up with lighting, dodges & burns, etc.

I could use some constructive criticism, & some suggestions, preferably with the crew on the bottom. :-\

I'm not sure who would've directed this, James Cameron maybe?  Kojima Productions wasn't around at this time, so that's why it says Konami.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: UglyJoe on November 22, 2009, 01:51:18 pm
Non-constructive!


Constructive!
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on November 22, 2009, 02:06:49 pm
I would agree with Joe, darken the outlines and currently it's floating in the forest way up, but it does look good - it's testament to your skills that you managed to turn that little image into this.

Lastly, looking at the cast choice I'm ecstatic to see Sean Connery, Tom Berenger and Michael Biehn.  Though I'd rather see Jim Cameron as the director ;)
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 22, 2009, 02:18:51 pm
I think the poster looks very nice except for the text at the top.  It reminds me too much of the stuff I see on Icanhascheezburger, so maybe a smaller font size, and some more serious text for that.  Otherwise, it's lookin' good!
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: cubelmariomadness on November 22, 2009, 02:18:56 pm
NO ONE IS SAFE! looks kind of funny to me, actually.  I think that the impact font kind of doesn't blend real good.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 22, 2009, 03:15:39 pm
As for the "floating" image, I've already got that covered.

So let's see:

-Blend/darken outlines
-Amend text at top

Also, James Cameron as director - anyone else agree?  I'm leaning towards that as well.

Anyone have any suggestions for what the text should read at the top?  I'll be experimenting with the font/color.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 22, 2009, 03:30:34 pm
I think the actual text is fitting, it's just the style that I would change. I probably should've worded my post better.  A smaller font size, and a more serious font
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 22, 2009, 05:06:53 pm
Yeah, I know, but I didn't think the phrase through-enough.  I'm still open for suggestions if anyone doesn't like it.

As for the font, I think something along Georgia is better. What do you suggest, Nintendodork?
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: cubelmariomadness on November 22, 2009, 05:17:46 pm
I like georgia.

Maybe No one is safe ? I don't know.

The font is Secret Service Typewriter.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 22, 2009, 06:24:53 pm
I just looked through the fonts in word, and these were the four that I liked most. 
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nurd on November 22, 2009, 07:20:26 pm
You could try a font that looks similar to the Metal Gear logo. Maybe that would be a bit much. :/
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 22, 2009, 07:48:55 pm
Taking a look at those fonts again, I think "Ruach LET"  would fit with the theme of that poster.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 22, 2009, 07:57:11 pm
Does Ruach LET look like this?

http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/letraset/ruach/ruach/
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 22, 2009, 08:04:09 pm
Yes.  It was in that document.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: UglyJoe on November 22, 2009, 08:10:42 pm
I like Cheapsign (lower case):

http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/cheapsign.htm (http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/cheapsign.htm)

and Headline One:

http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Headline_One.htm (http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Headline_One.htm)

Quote from: nintendodork on November 22, 2009, 08:04:09 pm
Yes.  It was in that document.


Fonts aren't embedded in documents.  If he doesn't have the font installed, it'll just pick some other font to use.  Also, I respectfully disagree about Ruach LET.  The tagline and the title shouldn't both be in their own stylized fonts.  They should either both use the same stylized font, or one should be more traditional and the other stylized.  Since the Metal Gear font/logo is set in stone, the tagline should be traditional.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 22, 2009, 08:14:42 pm
You can put fonts in word documents? (http://www.websitegoodies.com/smilies/confused0071.gif)
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 23, 2009, 05:13:03 am
....

I'm sure this is a misunderstanding.  You know?  The fonts up there are the top?  You click on the list and they all drop down, and you can choose from a list..?

Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: 133MHz on November 23, 2009, 05:30:06 am
Just because you have those fonts installed in your computer doesn't mean that other people will have the exact same ones installed in their PCs. If Word can't find the required font on your Fonts folder, it'll use a similar looking one.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on November 23, 2009, 06:08:20 am
I would say a generic movie poster font would work better.  When in doubt, Helvetica.

(http://www.kpao.org/blog/2009/09/18/helvetica.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 24, 2009, 03:07:53 pm
Here's my work so far:

(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr343/JediQuestMaster/MetalGearcopy2.jpg)

This is still not the final one!  I've got to fix the lighting on the leaves in front - it doesn't look quite right to me.  I'm also going to add more foliage in front of the Metal Gear.

How does the font look?  I'm still not 100% sure about it.  But it's definitely going in the right direction.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: UglyJoe on November 24, 2009, 04:33:25 pm
Looks a lot better.  I'm not sure more foliage would be a good idea -- might cover it up too much.

The font is better than Impact and reminds me of the in-game font.  I'm not sure if it's the drop-shadow or the bright red that's killing it for me.  I would suggest a darker red.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: cubelmariomadness on November 24, 2009, 04:43:07 pm
I think that it should be a little more...maybe like discreet color or something. Like UglyJoe said, it should be a tad darker.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 24, 2009, 04:57:40 pm
I'll experiment with a darker red.

As for adding more foliage, I mean little things like tall strands of grass & plants.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on November 26, 2009, 05:14:44 am
It definitely looks better - I think there would be a softer an larger shadow on the leaf from the MG though right?  The light source looks to be behind the MG, but the shadows don't match up with that, so maybe that's why it looks out of place.  The top of the leaf would be more lit, with the lower darker and the leaf looks too thick to have as sharp a shadow.  I'm probably looking too much into it though..
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 30, 2009, 03:21:26 am
Here's the third run:

(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr343/JediQuestMaster/MetalGearcopy3.png)

Come to look at it, I think it's a little too dark now.

Same with the foliage, not sure that was a good idea. :/

I should've saved copies before making changes.  :( Oh well; I still have my photoshop file at school. :-\
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 30, 2009, 02:40:58 pm
I think it looks great.  The font at the top is always the thing that gets me, though.  I just don't like it.  It's stands out too much for me.  Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 30, 2009, 03:37:19 pm
How would you make it look like?
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: cubelmariomadness on November 30, 2009, 04:17:15 pm
If it were me, I'd just chop off the no one is safe.  :-\ it's just kinda flashy for a super tank. I like the foliage idea, but maybe I'd shrink it just a tad.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: nintendodork on November 30, 2009, 04:49:52 pm
Quote from: Jedi QuestMaster on November 30, 2009, 03:37:19 pm
How would you make it look like?
I kind of agree with CMM, but if you really wanted to keep it there, maybe a smaller size and translucent text or something?  I dunno, I'm not really sure what I'd do to it.


Edit*
I thought of looking through Google images to see if I could find anything cool, and I found this from a Marvel poster.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/9kcjd3.jpg)

Not necessarily translucent text, but maybe something that doesn't stand out so much from the rest of the poster.  That's what I was thinking of.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on November 30, 2009, 08:21:37 pm
Ultimatum? Damnit, why, Marvel, why?! >:(

Anyways, I see what you're saying - but the font stays - unless someone has another suggestion?

And the foliage kinda sucks - especially in the front where I used "liquify." If you look (not so) closely you can tell how bad it is.

Edit:

Yes! I fixed the "foliage" in a way I like.  This time I have two proposals:

a.) I really like the red text & want to stick with it & used a linear light blend mode on it (it's also smaller & uses ellipses instead of "!" :

(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr343/JediQuestMaster/MetalGearcopy4.jpg)

b.) This time the Luminosity blend mode is used, which ignores the red color altogether, & is more discreet:

(http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr343/JediQuestMaster/MetalGearcopy5.jpg)

I also added a wind effect to the "METAL GEAR" title.  Let me know if you don't like it; I can always switch it back (saved a copy this time ;)).

Edit: I'm going to see about adding a "reflection" on the glass part of the Metal Gear.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: cubelmariomadness on December 01, 2009, 04:51:08 am
B is a lot better than A, I think.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on December 01, 2009, 06:21:12 am
I agree with B.  Did you think of spicing up the logo and possibly credits with some colour / effects?  I don't think the Wind is good as it makes the logo look like poor quality.
http://www.smashingapps.com/2009/06/08/50-creative-masterpieces-of-logo-designs-using-gradient-effects.html

I'm wondering if the depth of field could be increased with some touch up layering on the mid and foreground foliage.  It could be hard to achieve without a tablet to draw them on convincingly though.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: manuel on December 01, 2009, 07:21:52 am
I also say B is better.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on January 14, 2010, 12:51:32 am
Okay, no wind effect - got it.

I still like the red color though.  Maybe I'll do something in between. :-\

Edit: Canned the red - decided to go with a brighter than olive drab green, somewhat like the color of the main title.

Edit:  Canned the dark blue - saw what was meant about not matching with the "supertank" & decided to go with a more gray-like color.

Edit: I decided to do two of them:

http://arc-solemn.deviantart.com/art/1987-Metal-Gear-Poster-149015195

http://arc-solemn.deviantart.com/art/Metal-Gear-1987-Poster-150359122
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on January 15, 2010, 11:38:17 am

Cool - I actually prefer yours to the other examples you link to.  Much more evocative of 80s movies for so many reasons.
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: Jedi Master Baiter on January 15, 2010, 03:22:33 pm
I think Téa Leoni would make an awesome Meryl, but I don't think Michael Biehn would be playing Snake in Metal Gear Solid; I'd imagine him being canned from the series after the first one - kinda like in Terminator. :D

If I did one for Metal Gear 2, it would read: MEL GIBSON   RICHARD CRENNA   TOM BERENGER   METAL GEAR   DOLPH LUNDGREN   CHRISTINA APPLEGATE   &   SEAN CONNERY because you know how sometimes a big star is on the very end
Title: Re: Anyone Know Where I Can Get Hi-Quality Image/3D/Real Model of Metal Gear TX?
Post by: L___E___T on January 16, 2010, 08:18:31 am
but Michael Biehn was in Terminator 2 :)

I'd like David Ginola as snake if he could be dubbed over with David Hayter's voice and it worked..