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This is a game out of my collection I've decided to sell. This is an original Zelda RPG game. I don't t think this variation of the game is well known, but if you know of the Zelda pirate that has Pokemon music in it then you know this. Very neat addition to anyone's collection IMO, especially a Zelda collector!!
I'm asking $39, shipping included. International shipping perfectly OK but shipping will be made seperate. Payment is preferably PayPal.
I'm shipping from California USA. If the game is sold then I will announce it here. Please PM me if you're interested.
Any questions feel free to ask.
Is it definitely phantom hourglass? The box has the minish cap on, just wondering :)
This game and the other game called Minish Cap for Famicom are the same. Only difference is cosmetic appearance and the title screen. It is odd how they call it Phantom Hourglass in Chinese but it also has a Minish Cap logo. They're probably trying to be more honest to the consumer now? ???
May we please get some screenshots?
http://www.geocities.jp/rinkaku89/pachigame3/59_fc_zelda.html
Here's the Minish Cap version. Remember like I said above, same game, just different packaging and title.
Edit: Please note this is a different game from what Trenton_net is selling. :)
Thanks for the explanation Thumper. I already have Minish Cap so that's what I was concerned about.
Are you sure The Minish Cap, Links Awakening, and Phantom Hourglass arn't just upgrades of the same same edition?
UPDATED: Nevermind. The Minish Cap plays like an RPG. In Links Awakening its like the Gameboy version where you run around with a sword and stuff.
If you'll settle for 30 dollars plus shipping to England I'll do that, assuming it's still for sale.
I know that's half what you're asking but that brings it in line with what Trenton is selling for considering this is used and his are new.
Just to add, it may be worth more than that but I wouldn't want to pay more than that myself that's all. I thought a lower offer is still worth a reply in my book.
Sup ya'll,
Long time lurker, first time poster :-) I'm with L___E___T. I would be VERY intrested if you were willing to beat Trenton_net's price. Before I wouldn't mind paying 60 bucks for a used game considering they are near impossible to find, let alone with box and manual. But ever since Trenton has come around, he's pretty much THE source for these rareitys now days.
Seeing as how Trenton is such a huge source for this stuff around here now I can understand why my price seems unfair. Since that seems to leave me with no choice I'll go and change the price to $49, excluding shipping(which I think is probably around $3 domestically for something this size). Since Trenton himself isn't even selling this particular game at the moment I can't beat any price for it specifically, but I think this is a fair price. Making me go to around $25 and below really wouldn't be fair to me personally. I consider these worth more than just that, especially being part of a popular franchise like Zelda.
Anybody interested just let me know. Thanks!
Hmm... I guess the price is ok I suppose, but Trenton has mentioned (in an edit) that he'll be getting some Zelda: The Minish cap in sometime as well. Given how his prices for Zelda's typically are around $19 to $39, I guess I'll wait and see then.
I wouldn't blame you for waiting. If anyone else is interested though let me know for now.
Something tells me this is the first and last boxed pirate I'll sell here. lol
For what it's worth, I don't understand what people are talking about when they say used. This looks as new as these games get. They're never shrink wrapped or anything, can't really be picky about it if it's in perfect cosmetic condition.
@Bramsworth: Heh, I don't quite understand it ether. I think people just like to hear the words "new" and the fact that there is less of a chance someone played with whatever they are getting. I mean yes all the items I sell are new by definition, but like you said, nothing is shrink wrapped (sellers can play them or demo them without your knowledge), and because everything is hand-made, all the little imperfections make it hard to tell anyways.
The only real tangible difference I can see with new vs used games (When it comes to pirates) is the fact that new games have:
Less or no ware on the cartridge connectors.
Less or no dirt on the cartridge.
Less or no bends/damage to the cover or manual.
Comes complete.
So unless its missing a criteria listed above, I think there isn't any reason to turn down a used game over a new one. Especially since used games go cheaper. In Thumpers case, I don't know how much he originally paid for his copy of the game but he at least needs to recover his cost at a bare minimum. So, yes perhaps he won't make a killing selling it, but I don't think its fair he has to under sell ether.
This is, of course, assuming that the all mighty dollar is constant. Once you start talking money, you need to use your judgment to see if its worth it or not.
I was thinking the same thing actually. I actually expected some of my games to be shrink wrapped when I originally bought them since they were new and pictures made them look like they were wrapped. Turns out pirates just like making glossy cases...
As for the cosmetic quality of this game it's perfectly fine. When I first got it the case had a lot of dirt in it but it's cleaned out now. Considering this is a counterfeit product from China(or is it Taiwan?) I honestly have no clue if that's 100% something you wouldn't expect from a brand new copy though.
Just to be honest here I'll say I paid $40 for this originally, and shipping brought it to near $60. I was trying in the beginning to make up for the total losses but I guess that isn't a too perfectly fair price. These Chinese intermediaries really overcharge you though. I'm having a hard time believing that international shipping really costs as much as they make you pay, and I'm also pretty sure they add extra to the shipping price they ask in order to buy these from the original seller.
Yeah, the fact is, these games are super cheap in China if you can find them in a store, and it's possible to order them directly from the manufacturer. They won't send to someone outside of China, but if you know someone who lives in China, you'd be looking at about $10+ the cost of shipping it to you. If you have to deal w/ a middleman that isn't a friend or relative, tho, they'll of course jack up the price on you.
If you’re located in China, yes buying from a store will be cheaper, but certainly not the cheapest. The cheapest is buying from flee market venders, but in those cases things start to get sketchy as many of their items are dirty or incomplete.
As for ordering direct from the manufacture, it is technically true you could do it, but it’s a total pain in the ass to do even for local Chinese people. First, you need get an order form, go to the post office, fill out by hand which games (in Chinese) your interested in ordering, pay upfront for your items (need Chinese bank account with appropriate documents), mail off your order, and then wait weeks for them to ship back what you wanted. It’s totally easier to just get it from a store that can buy in bulk. It would still cost you $15 to $20, depending on the games and system your talking, but it's so much more convinent.
Yeah...thing is, even in China is almost impossible to find a store that still has them since everyone is buying pirated Xbox 360 games and hacking their PSPs. I'm not officially saying this yet, because I'm waiting until I get home (end of Dec.) to sell all the crap I bought in China and Taiwan, but I did find a few of these games that will be for sale soon...some Dragon Ball Z ones, Harvest Moon...few others I can't remember off hand. I can't wait to get home (U.S.) after a year and a half away... :)
(Oh yeah, mobiusclimber, I'm "ebenezer" on digitalpress.com ;) We chatted there a bit about these things. I need to get my username changed to match this one)
Well, glad you found some cool stuff and hope you had a great time, sumguy.
Since I haven't tried to order the Fami games yet, I'll take your word for it, trenton. But after having my wife's relatives try hard to find these Fami games for sale anywhere, I stumbled across the order form, so I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope that works out. None of them were able to find them in a store where they're at. Or market vendors for that matter.
Heh. Hope it works out for you. I don't know if the ordering process has changed since then, but back in the day it was a real pain.
Alright, since Trenton has set his price at $39 for Minish Cap when he gets it I guess nobody else will pay anymore for it. Since I'm desperate for money right now I'm lowering the price to exactly that, excluding shipping.
Bump.
Please do note that this isn't in "used" condition. It's practically new by pirate game standards. Just want to make that clear to everyone. It was bought new and I'm extremely clean with my collection.
Also just a reminder the price is the same as his games now too. I'm not sure if Trenton lives in Taiwan or what but the price of buying mine is much cheaper for shipping domestically(around $3). So nothing's stopping anyone who wants this game now from buying it.... man I must look desperate.
Heh, I live in Ontario Canada so shipping will be higher. But if it helps out I’ll officially declare a boycott on this game and won’t make any effort to stock it until your copy is sold. :-)
I may be interested!
Where are you shipping from?
Thanks
retro
Shipping is from California USA. If you're interested PM me.
Quote from: Trenton_net on December 11, 2009, 07:24:22 am
Heh, I live in Ontario Canada so shipping will be higher. But if it helps out I'll officially declare a boycott on this game and won't make any effort to stock it until your copy is sold. :-)
Haha. No need to go that far. All's fair in pirate selling..or something to that effect.
after all, free markets gave us these lovely little rip-offs right :)
So it looks like this still isn't selling. Seems everybody who messages me about it are only lurkers who don't ever bother coming back. I've decided to change price to be shipping included, so now the price is $39 shipped to anywhere in the US. International shipping though I'll have to ask for shipping separately. The shipping included price is only regular shipping, so if the buyer should want the package insured or anything that of course would be extra.
Let's consider this some kind of lame "Christmas sale" price. ;)
It is also the very last time I'm lowering the price on this anymore, so no holding out on it hoping I'm going to keep getting desperate and lower it again!! :P
Has this been sold?
No not yet. If you're interested please PM me.
Sounds pretty cool to me. I don't know much about it, and sorry if this has already been asked (didn't notice anything when I glanced), how exactly does this game play? Is it just a port of one of the Pokemon hacks with altered graphics or a totally new game based on this Minish Cap I hear about (or a hacked version of it)? Is all of the in-game text in Mandarin? If so, awesome. Talk about a great way to learn new characters. Edit: Just saw some shots on Youtube. This game looks pretty cool. Answer my questions up there so I can decide what I want to do.
It's not a Pokemon related game at all, it just uses some random Pokemon music in the game. As far as I could tell when I played it the game is no different from the Minish Cap game, just that they changed the title screen to the title "Phantom hourglass" instead(in Chinese of course!). It's a regular RPG game, and I'd say one of the more decent ones for a pirate. The battles aren't nearly as bad as in other pirate games where you can barely move without meeting instant death right from the beginning.
And yeah the game is all Mandarin. Glad to see you have interest in learning some hanzi from it. Not enough people around here who appreciate the Chinese aspect of these games. :P
FYI: There is no Mandarin writing. Chinese writing only comes in Simplified and Traditional styles.
You're right Trenton, I didn't think about how it sounds to say it's in "Mandarin." I guess the question should be rather which script of Chinese is it in, which would be Traditional. I don't know if they make games in Simplified these days or not but Traditional seems to be the mainstream script in Taiwanese pirates.
Is it really in Traditional Chinese? I can't believe that since its from China. It would be awesome if it was though, since I can read that kind better.
I'm pretty sure it's Simplified. All Nanjing games come from China, none are in Traditional since they don't use that there.
And I'm with you on Traditional text. It's easier to read, I hate Simplified. Pain in the ASS :P
Simplified, is well... More simple to read and write. Of course thats only if you take into account the fact that the person has to learn Chinese from scratch. If you learned it before, then of course you will prefer the way you were brought up in.
I guess it was in simplified then. Sorry for the mistake. I coulda sworn most all pirates are in traditional so I just said it was without being 100% sure. Since I don't study Chinese much myself I guess I don't pay attention to the characters as much as I used to.
Also I thought all pirates were Taiwanese, thus Traditional. Learn something new everyday...
Simplified is more simple to write. Its debatable if its is more simple to read. For me, I find traditional easier to read since there are more strokes to recognize, and I find them more enjoyable aesthetically, though both are still pretty darn difficult...Plus there's political tension in any debate on the subject...so please don't take offense at this--just my opinion.
Double Post from previously.
Technically, you could argue there's 'Mandarin writing' because of dialectical differences. HOW IN THE HELL could you like traditional over simplified? In 什么 for example, the characters are just ridiculous for such a simple demonstrative. Taiwan uses traditional, Mainland China does not really do it anymore, so that's an easy way to pick out what came from where. They would have been stupid to go traditional because it would taken up probably three times the amount of memory. Slight differences in dialect too that show through in the writing. I see you also have Final Fantasy VII? Is that correct?
Traditional is definitely easier to read to me. Simplified characters look oversimplified for many characters. I'd prefer to have more to recognize the character by. Also I think Traditional displays more of an aesthetic quality to the language that simplified characters just completely ruins.
Looks like my opinion is exactly the same as sumguy. :)
Btw not to sound mad or anything but I kind of consider it rude to be bringing other transactions into my sale post. If you're talking through PM/Email there's no reason to bring it out here.
Yeah, I think I agree with you, Stan about the 'Mandarin writing' thing. I've been wondering myself the intricacies of different dialects. If the written system is universally understood, then different dialects would simply have different pronunciations of the characters, but would be grammatically the same right? What I gather from my friends, Taiwanese seems to be this way. But if the dialects are as different from each other as English and Dutch, as I've also read, wouldn't that imply that grammar is also different? Must be time for some research.
There are also historical and political reasons I prefer the traditional system, but having both Chinese (mainland) and Taiwanese friends, I can see how personal the issue is, mostly for the mainlanders I think, so I have no problem with anyone who prefers simplified or their reasons behind it.
Traditional Chinese is officially used in Taiwan and Hong Kong. Traditional Chinese has also been copied for Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean, and other languages which did not develop their own writing system at the time.
Simplified Chinese is used in Mainland China now (Since the push for higher literacy), and all before it was Traditional.
When dealing with Chinese communities all around the world, your mileage between the two will vary.
As far as dialects go, there are many Chinese dialects. All of which have the same grammar and writing system. The only difference is pronunciation and slang. As long as you can write Chinese, you can always communicate with someone. As for which of the two systems are better, its all preference. But I will say that learning Traditional Chinese is more of a "dead-end" (if you will) as a huge portion of the Chinese population only reads Simplified. It's very much the same with trying to learn Cantonese over Mandarin. You might be more "accepted" in the small pockets of Cantonese speaking regions, and have bragging right to your friends, etc, but as far as practicality and standards go, Mandarin is it. You can go all over China, Taiwan, etc and many people know Mandarin (Somewhat like English). Cantonese? You might as well be speaking greek. Only Canton, HK, and small pockets in US/Canada speak it, and even then, those communities are usually bi-lingual with Mandarin as their second language.
Yeah, thats true. Surprised to hear about the dialects having the same grammar...seems counter intuituve somehow. I've been mostly rebelious about writing traditional Chinese, especially since you can use phonetics to input everything into computers, but just recently I discovered its not as hard as I thought and it helps my reading 100% so its totally worth learning while learning to read, but not a huge deal if I forget a character or a stroke here and there. If your not living in Taiwan, HK or Macao, traditional is mainly an academic persuit which has its own rewards too.
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I never knew all dialects share the same grammar. Then again I haven't studied much Chinese myself, but I've heard from people studying Chinese that they occasionally find the writing styles in Taiwanese pirates to be foreign to a Mandarin learner.
Surprising that Cantonese has such small practicality to me. I grew up in an area where there were many Cantonese speakers, but I guess that was one of those small niches. I never thought about how minimally spread the population is just because I assumed it to be the main original language traditional Chinese comes from, thus the language that would perhaps be considered the most culturally significant. Any ideas on that? Looks like Mandarin somehow dominated it though. I don't know about the evolution of Chinese so I'm curious how Mandarin became the most widespread dialect.
And yea this thread is officially high-jacked. I think I can forget ever selling this blasted game. Nobody wants it. The people have spoken. It's gone. :P
just pop it on ebay for a high BIN price like that other zelda thats been on there forever. I'm quite curious what one of these would sell for on the open market. Then again, if the right people don't see it, it won't go for much.
I don't know where Mandarin originated from. I lived in Heilongjiang province where they're supposed to have the most standard Mandarin accent, but it really didn't sound clear to me at all. Plus its mixed with Dongbeihua, the real local dialect. For me, its much easier to understand Taiwanese speaking Mandarin for some reason.
Taiwanese speaking Mandarin seems too tough. Shi sounds like Si, Chi is Ci, etc...you get the idea. Very tough. I started out learning Mandarin through watching a Taiwanese TV show though, Zong Yi Da Ge Da. One of those boring variety shows over there :P
I wasn't aware there's a Zelda on eBay with a BIN. A pirate game also? In any case, is you go with eBay I would definitely stick with a BIN if you know what you want. Otherwise you'll make a very cheap sale like I did and end up losing a bit ORZ
Edit: Found the auction. Adol from Assembler. Gee, he uses all screenshots that Trenton took, and Trenton sold that game on Assembler. No chance he by chance jacked the price up much more than he paid after he bought it did he? -_-
Yep, thats my stuff (http://cgi.ebay.com/ZELDA-3-III-NINTENDO-NES-FAMICOM-CHINESE-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ220528341215QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Games?hash=item33588370df). Some of those screenshots are ripped from me as well.
I suppose if anyone wants to make easy money you could simply undercut those prices and purchase more stock from me (of which I still have a healthy supply). Kind of like the Price is Right and you bid $1, or $301. Really the only reason prices are artificially that high is because no one knows it’s for sale cheaper. But if you sold it at a smaller premium on eBay you’d pretty much snap up the rest of the market outside of the forums.
<Shrugs> I don't really mind. It would have been better etiquette to ask permission before using my images. I guess watermarks do have a reason! :-)
That really disturbs me seeing people steal images and sell things they had just bought off someone else. That's one reason I'm reluctant on being too low on price since I don't want the same thing happening to me.
eBay is out of the question for me. Sure I could try my luck with a BIN price, but chances are it wouldn't sell I'm pretty sure, and I don't want to waste money putting up something. I remember back in my day eBay was free to list on!! *waves fist down the e-road*
Meh, since my cousin and I are basicly ground zero for these kinds of items, we really don't get effected too much. No matter how much they try to over or under cut, we always can do better. It's really more the people close to the bottom of the food chain that suffer the most.
Speaking of which, it looks like some people are emailing me saying they think they purchased Zelda from me off eBay. Too bad they paid$ $79 dollars for a $39 or $19 dollar game. (^_^);
I doubt it. Listings that end are usually still viewable. Probably another seller flagged it as pirate or some previous customer found out how much it's really sold for and did it for spite.
That's kinda funny haha.
I can assure anyone here I didn't flag it or anything. Didn't even cross my mind, now I'm wondering why it didn't though 8)
Before I joined this forum, I've buy a Zelda 3 from him at 80$ ... Doh!
Man. wish I've joined this forum before.... :-\
Anyway, lesson learned! ;)
Yeah sorry for steering this thread away! I've decided not to purchase it anyway, the gameplay sounds a little too shaky to me, though it would be cool with the Chinese. Yeah, there are very few grammatical differences in writing. Some, but not many. Most of it comes out mainly in organization and different words. Man, I can read traditional and all, and I understand the aesthetics of it, but seriously. Let's compare what I said there. Here we go:
什么 or 什麼
Seriously, look at the second example. The 'me' (second character) is just so ridiculous for something so simple in terms of meaning. It's a common construction too, so having to write that bullshite on the right woud get on my nerves. Look at that stupid thing. Also, as you can see, when typing it, it starts to get annoying to read traditional. I must say though, it can be useful, but most Chinese are saying screw it. In addition, I've found that through simplified I can read traditional just fine, whereas with traditional it's difficult usually to go the other way. So it has that going for it, as evidenced by some of you who said you can't read it but you can read traditional. Also, I have to say, other than character memorization, Chinese is the most bitch-ass easy language I've come across. I've done Russian for years and Chiense is just pathetic in most areas. There's hardly any grammar, no tense, no declension, no conjugation. It's a dream.
There's so much in Chinese that's hard to understand that makes me barely think of it as a dream. News articles for example, it doesn't feel like the normal language but rather suddenly it turns into something much more complex, a lot of things that could be expressed with a 2 character word in normal conversation suddenly turns into one lone character. That stuff drives me nuts, and I can't imagine catching it in speech :p
I still prefer traditional as opposed to simplified. It's not because it seems easier or anything, and anything I know in traditional I recognize in simplified just the same. I just prefer traditional cuz it looks better to me, that's all. Actually, I don't think anyone here has said they can't read simplified, I mean, with learning Chinese these days you're likely to be able to read both a lot of the time regardless since I'm sure you'd come across times where you'd end up reading traditional somewhere, maybe as subs to a TV show or something.
It probably would be best to also clear up that when we say Chinese I assume we mean Mandarin? Stupid habit that's impossible to break, I gotta remind myself to stop it before I just help spread the belief that Chinese is just one language lol