Hi all, I am looking for people with expertise in potential differences beteween Famicom and NES versions of the same game.
The game in question is Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! Let me clarify that I am NOT talking about the Gold Version of Punch-Out!! but the one with Mike Tyson in it. I am wondering if anyone here has knowledge of in-game differences between the Famicom and NES versions. I am talking technically not with regards to graphics, text, endings etc. There are well documented differences in the NTSC and PAL versions of this game but no one has documented the differences between Famicom and NES (yes I know they are both NTSC).
Furthermore does anyone know if an emulator rom for the Famicom MTPO was ever made??
Any information on this is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
There are no differences between the Famicom and NES versions of MTPO. The gold version is a different story.
Quote from: nintendodork on July 30, 2010, 02:46:50 pm
There are no differences between the Famicom and NES versions of MTPO. The gold version is a different story.
Are there differences in the hardware? e.g. how Famicom handles mtpo and how NES does?
Nope. The ROM used in MTPO on the NES and the Famicom is exactly the same. The Famicom and NES handle it exactly the same.
Unless you have PAL hardware. The PAL hardware gives you an easier version - it's a tad slower being 50hz ;)
Quote from: L___E___T on July 31, 2010, 07:29:11 am
Unless you have PAL hardware. The PAL hardware gives you an easier version - it's a tad slower being 50hz ;)
So is there a way to use an NTSC version of mtpo on a PAL Famicom??
Also is there an easy way to tell if someone is using a PAL version (like if you could see gameplay?)
There is no PAL Famicom (Unless we're talking about the Hong-Kong Famicom, which I'm not sure of). A regular Japanese Famicom (with the proper 72-to-60 pin connector) will run any NES game. If you play a PAL game on a Famicom on an NTSC TV, I'm pretty sure the game will run at full speed.
Quote from: nintendodork on July 31, 2010, 01:09:57 pm
There is no PAL Famicom (Unless we're talking about the Hong-Kong Famicom, which I'm not sure of).
AFAIK, the HK Fami is PAL.
In the strictest sense, the HK Famicom is a kludged together PAL Famicom. It runs Japanese software perfectly, unlike the European NES which is a proper PAL system and (mostly) runs on different software than its American/Japanese counterpart.
I was actually talking about the UK NES when I said PAL hardware. Obviously if you played any NTSC games on it you'd need a lockout chip job - but for my PAL NES with powerpak and a couple of famiclones every game runs slower. It's gotten to the point where I can't play PAL any more now. It quite noticeable on Rockman 2 and especially Megadrive games like Sonic, Streets of Rage 2 and Burning Force.
So forgive my technological ineptitude, but, would it be possible to get an NTSC game to run on a PAL system? and if so would it run at 50hz?
If you have an official PAL NES, then you have to disable the lockout chip in order to play NTSC games on it. But yes, the NTSC game would still run at 50Hz.
Quote from: nintendodork on August 01, 2010, 05:19:55 pm
If you have an official PAL NES, then you have to disable the lockout chip in order to play NTSC games on it. But yes, the NTSC game would still run at 50Hz.
So would your TV need to be PAL in order to use this configuration?
I guess I am wondering if you had the Hong Kong PAL Famicom that was mentioned above could you run the NTSC famicom version of mtpo at 50hz (as opposed to the usual 60hz) on it with a PAL or NTSC television?
Quote from: mtpo_fan on August 01, 2010, 05:57:45 pm
I guess I am wondering if you had the Hong Kong PAL Famicom that was mentioned above could you run the NTSC famicom version of mtpo at 50hz (as opposed to the usual 60hz) on it with a PAL or NTSC television?
Exactly. But why would you want to slow down the game escapes me. Pretty much any TV in Europe made in the last century supports 60 Hz.
Extra note - even my 60HZ TV plays the NES and some famiclones in 50HZ... If you connect a PAL NES to a 60HZ TV, it won't automatically play in 60HZ or anything. But you obviously need a TV that will play a PAL signal.
Quote from: 133MHz on August 01, 2010, 06:02:21 pm
Quote from: mtpo_fan on August 01, 2010, 05:57:45 pm
I guess I am wondering if you had the Hong Kong PAL Famicom that was mentioned above could you run the NTSC famicom version of mtpo at 50hz (as opposed to the usual 60hz) on it with a PAL or NTSC television?
Exactly. But why would you want to slow down the game escapes me. Pretty much any TV in Europe made in the last century supports 60 Hz.
I would not want to do this personally. If someone wanted to slow down the game they may do so because it allows you to do certain things. For instance, certain punches can be countered at 50hz but not at 60hz. Things like this can allow for much faster times on certain fighters.
So you are probably wondering why someone would go to all this trouble, why not just play on the PAL system with a PAL game at 50hz!?! Well there are reasons that someone might want it to be perceived that they played on an NTSC cart. But no need to get into that here.
Thank you to everyone who has posted in this thread, you have provided very useful information I would not have found elsewhere. Now one final question. Does anyone have MTPO for Famicom that is willing to take 5 - 10 minutes to help me test something. You do not need the whacky setup I have been asking about, just a normal NTSC Famicom and NTSC MTPO.
If you're trying to somehow get a faster time in some sort of competition, they generally don't allow the use of PAL games/systems due to this problem. If you're trying to lie about this, then please know that I personally do not support what you're trying to do.
However, what is it that you need to be done? Whatever it is, the same thing will happen on an NTSC NES with NTSC MTPO.
Quote from: nintendodork on August 02, 2010, 07:13:43 am
If you're trying to somehow get a faster time in some sort of competition, they generally don't allow the use of PAL games/systems due to this problem. If you're trying to lie about this, then please know that I personally do not support what you're trying to do.
However, what is it that you need to be done? Whatever it is, the same thing will happen on an NTSC NES with NTSC MTPO.
I am not trying to do this, nor would I as I stated in my previous post. But that does not mean other people would not do so. I am simply trying to confirm information and pass it on to a governing body so that they may be made aware of any possible foul play. I prefer not to go into detail on the forum but if anyone is really that interested in what this is about I do not mind telling them in a PM. And if anyone volunteered to help me test this out for 5 - 10 minutes I would definitely share everything that this is in regards to.
As for whether the same thing will happen on Famicom that happens on NES, that is very likely true. I simply want to confirm that it is indeed true and it would take a very small amount of time to do so. I do not own a Famicom nor could I afford to purchase one along with mtpo for it to verify this myself which is why I am here asking for help.
I had MTPO at one time but I just sold it. I can assure you that the same thing will happen whether I use a the Famicom version of MTPO or the NES version with an adapter.
Quote from: nintendodork on August 02, 2010, 10:44:35 am
I had MTPO at one time but I just sold it. I can assure you that the same thing will happen whether I use a the Famicom version of MTPO or the NES version with an adapter.
Darn...Well does anyone else have a copy that is willing to try a simple test for me?