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Hey, so JL tells me that those gold disks are very rare, like less than 50 ever made. Can anyone corroborate that fact? I ask because 10,000 of those Game and Watch tournament prizes were made. And I'm gonna do a page for the site about them all.
No real clue, and I think that will be hard to figure out without talking to someone in Japan. And I wouldn't take an ebay auction for fact on that 10,000... ;)
Well, I was doing some research and found the 10,000 figure on a site that had a bunch of pics of the Game & Watch, gold disks and stationary -- so I figure there's a little more legitimacy to the Game & Watch figure. But the question remains...
http://www.intheattic.co.uk/special.htm
Someone had a webpage that said they made at least to 11,790. I'm not sure, but I think two serial numbers were found that were that far apart...
Whatever these posters say may help if they were translated since 10,000 is mentioned twice on the last one:
http://www.nintendothumbs.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=6
I think it's possible that they gave away 10,000 in the contest, but that they made more (employee presents or who knows what for).
There are so many games more rare than 10,000 that I don't see what's so special about it. I owned this game in an american version when I was little (may have been the YM-108, I don't know if there was a different American version or what not). Yeah, it wasn't the special version, but it was $$15 bucks at k-mart... :)
It just seems to me that some things just float around about the game and watches and we really don't know much. To me, this article exemplifies our real knowledge on the game and watches:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~sane/html/Andy.htm
That's a great article. :) I appreciate the help!
What about the others -- the gold disks and stationary? Anyone?
Very tough subject...could even get a good article out of it. :)
I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED!
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HOW THE FUCK DID YOU GET THAT?!
I showed that pic to my buddy who has to be the biggest MTPO fan I know. Let's just say he lost all control of his bodily functions ;D
Alright JC, the jig is up. We're gonna need some deets to go along w/ that pic. Who, where, and how much?
I'm working some fucking awesome contacts. More goodies to come. I promise.
WHY NOT MEEEEEEE :'(
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I showed that pic to my buddy who has to be the biggest MTPO fan I know. Let's just say he lost all control of his bodily functions ;D
That's so funny. :D
More to come -- and ha! if you think I'm giving up my source for this good stuff.
So lemme get this straight: You just picked up the FC equivalent of the gold NWC cart or the NTSC Stadium Events? Complete? And you seem pretty cheerful, so you didn't blow a fortune, did you?
I HATE MY LIFE!!!! *blows head off*
Well, in all honesty, we don't know much about it. It's rare, but how rare? We don't know. All I know is that it's got some link to the FDS Golf tournaments back in the '80s. Still more rare, I think, are the Famicom gold disks. The Famicom Super Mario Bros. Game and Watch and stationary set, also tournament prizes (as well as raffled off) are not very rare. Over 10,000 of each of those were made (yes, I finally confirmed that number). In my research, I haven't yet come across a number for how many gold disks or how many of the Punch-Out gold carts were made?
Also pretty rare are the Rekka Summer Carnival carts and the All Night Nippon disks.
I rememeber sometime back I was bumbling around the FDS side of eBay and there were tons of Nippon disks up for sale. And weren't those SMB G&W things in the Disk-Kun cases given out as prizes for a F1 race or something? That's what I heard...
Golf US Gold Disk = Golf US tournament
Golf Japan Gold Disk = Golf Japan tournament
Super Mario Game & Watch = F-1 Grand Prix tournament -- and raffle
Stationary Set = 3d Hot Rally tournament -- and raffle
QuoteSuper Mario Game & Watch = F-1 Grand Prix tournament -- and raffle
Aha! So some people on eBay DO know what they're talking about.
QuoteStationary Set = 3d Hot Rally tournament -- and raffle
If you don't mind me asking, what is a "stationary set"?
The stationary set is really stupid, actually. I don't get why it was ever made -- the gaming ones (gold cart, gold disks and Game & Watch) are much more exciting.
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/jerahcordova/YM-901_Stationary1.jpg)
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A buch of tools? That's really odd.
That is so cool in a "I feel bad for the person who got that as a consolation prize" way.
Quote from: FamicomJL on September 06, 2006, 11:16:20 am
That is so cool in a "I feel bad for the person who got that as a consolation prize" way.
Yeah...too bad this thing was First Prize and not the consolation prize! Damn Nintendo -- what were they thinking!
WHAT?! I feel bad for the poor sap...
I don't think I've mentioned this here yet about the stationary set. It was given as the main prize in the 3D Hot Rally tournament. It was given to 10,000 people. The first 6,000 of them were given to people who acheived a high score on one of three tracks in 3D Hot Rally (FDS). The other 4,000 were given away through a raffle. That's what one of the 3D Hot Rally promotion posters says.
How many signed up?...4?!
What do you mean? Nintendo actually produced and distributed 10,000 of the Game & Watch prizes and another 10,000 of the stationary sets. So there's a combined 20,000 of those two prizes out there. Both of the prizes were given away as a promotion for FDS games. First F-1 Grand Prix and then 3D Hot Rally.
I don't have a number on those gold disks yet. It could be as many as 10,000 of each disk, but I'm not at all sure of that. Remember that the first two tournaments Nintendo held were not promotional, but were to test out the linking of Japan's Famicoms. I figure it's possible that Nintendo gave out only a few of the gold disks and later realized that they could produce a higher number of the Game & Watch and stationary sets as a promotion to garner more attention for F-1 Grand Prix and 3D Hot Rally...and of course, make a huge profit.
Hey, manuel. If you get a chance, I'd be so, so, so happy if you could translate these docs for me. I haven't a clue and I want to include translations in the Holy Grails shrine I'm building.
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Just the gist of the part about the stationary set:
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This one might not be readable:
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My Holy Grail was a square button famicom. Now that I've got it, collecting has been a lot more fun. Cause when I don't win something I'm dying to own, I take solice in the fact that I've yet to see a complete square button fami on ebay, and I have one in my closet! Its hard these days, especially with so many people on ebay with seemingly indispensible amounts of cash. Has anyone seen the amount of stuff that "camaro" dude bought off of featherplukin....jesus christ it was approaching like 800 bucks worth of merch!
The square button Famicoms are neat. I've only seen one on eBay and featherpluck was selling it. :)
I'm a sucker for good deals, so when it comes to Holy Grails and whatever, I'll only buy if I think I'm getting a steal. And I think that's an interesting concept...that everyone kind of has their own "Holy Grail" of Famicom collecting, that one thing you really, really want. Heck, what do I really, really want? Hmm...I think my personal holy grails would be the 16-bit down to 8-bit pirates. They fascinate me so much and so far I only have two of, gosh, however many are out there. I've counted something like 10-15.
Those are some real swank booklets and papers...
My Holy Grails shrine is almost complete. Just trying to track down some info on the gold Punch-Out!! carts. If anyone knows anything, let me know!
I've been learning a lot more about the gold Punch-Out!! The first thing is that it's Punch-Out!! and not Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!. I don't think (but am not sure) Punch-Out!! was actually released in Japan. I don't see it on the lists I've looked at. Of course, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! was released in Japan. I am also pretty sure it's a pre-release, out before any of the other 8-bit Punch-Outs. By how long, I don't know. I'm think weeks to two months.
I've played through almost all of the game (I suck at it so haven't beaten Macho to get to the final bout) and have discovered that the only changes are in the color of the canvass and tile "scoreboard" -- with possibly one small music change when the screen says "TITLE BOUT," but I haven't confirmed that. The passcodes to access the circuits and final bout are also different, so if anyone has the passcode for the final bout, please pass it along. I imagine the code would be the same for the Famicom Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, but I'm not sure about that.
The japan mike tyson's punchout was on a completely different mapper than the US version. The US version is the only game to use mmc2 and I believe the Japan version is one of the few to use mmc4. Therefore, there are bound to be some differences...
playing the japanese version, some of the music and sound effects are different, but those are the only things I noticed. I'd love to see some screenshots from the gold version, is the title screen any different?
The only thing that may be different about the title screen, and I don't know for sure because I don't own but the NES MTPO, is that the copyright only says "C 1987 Nintendo" instead of both "C 1987 Nintendo" and "C 1990 Nintendo" as it does on the 1990 rerelease without Tyson's name and ugly mug. The title screen has the same look with the same glove that pounds through the Punch-Out banner.
Ok. So I beat Super Macho Man and then that's it. The game says via a newspaper "New Champion, etc." and then it scrolls through pics of the fighters you beat, and then it shows a final screen with Mac, his wins/losses/KOs and the "THE END." And you have to reset the game to play again. No button on the controller does anything on the last screen.
Was it any harder to play? New difficulty?
Nope. Same level of difficulty.
I did some closer comparisons of the NES Punch-Outs and the gold one. I'm now convinced that the gold Punch-Out was released prior to both of those releases, and possibly before Famicom MTPO. I'm also convinced it's a different version (i.e. slightly changed) from the other versions. Why? Because the use of English is poor and slightly different in the intro screens. It's obvious they cleaned it up before the official commercial release. For some examples, go to the Holy Grails shrine. I'll be posting some screenshots.
Also, if anyone has the Famicom MTPO, please kick it my way: jc@famicomworld.com.
It had to have been before Mike Tyson Punchout or I think they would have used Mike Tyson or at least used the guy who they replaced him with after his scandle. What was his name, Mr. Dream or something? I don't think I ever played that version actually. But I don't think they would just take him out and make Super Macho Man the last guy. I don't remember seeing the bad English in the intro scenes, and I just sold mine so I can't check anymore :( but I am confirming that the music is different for the "Title Bout" and much worse IMO. So much weaker sounding.
Interesting about the music on the Famicom version, since that's how the gold Punch-Out version is. I need to get my hands on that dump.
I've put up a few screenshots of the poor English on the Holy Grails shrine. It's subtle, but definitely evidence of the gold Punch-Out being an early version.
Oh actually I don't know about the regular Japanese MTPO, I'll check to see if the music is like the US version or the gold version. I was talking about the Gold version before.
Ah ok. I was confused. I had discovered that sound change a while back. It is a sad sound...that must be why they changed it. :D
On the Japanese MTPO version they have made some updates. Are they the same as the US one? "Also, playing the role of Mac. It's you!!" and "This is a story of true victory!!" and of course it says "And special guest, Mike Tyson" in the list of guest stars.
And it has the same Title Bout music as the US version.
So if those minor changes to the wording are also the same then I guess the US and Japanese verison of MTPO are the same.
Here's some screenshots from the japanese MTPO...
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f290/chop79/MTPO_J_2.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f290/chop79/MTPO_J_1.jpg)
They're exactly like the gold version I think?
Strange. Feather says the language is updated. Yes, that's the same as the US version, featherpluck. But veal has these shots, which look like the gold Punch-Out. Hmm. Maybe there's a dump of the gold Punch-Out that's mislisted. ???
Those screenshots are from the Gold version. Notice how Mike Tyson isn't listed in the guest stars
Where did you get the screenshots, veal?
I got them from the emulated version of Punch-Out! the Japanese version. For some weird reason, I can't seem to find a rom for the japanese version of "Mike Tysons" Punch-Out!, just the generic "Punch-Out!".
The thing is, as far as I understand, there was no Famicom Punch-Out, other than the gold version. There was only MTPO. I don't believe there was cause for Nintendo to re-release Punch-Out in Japan after Tyson's behavioral problems -- maybe because of a lack of popularity of the game in Japan, or an abundance of MTPOs or perhaps Nintendo never needed to cancel Tyson's contract for Famicom since Tyson's problems were likely only hot news in America.
If there was a Fami version of non-MT Punch Out, this guy would have it. http://www.pbase.com/tomspunchout2/mtpo_collection&page=3
My theory is that only Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! was released besides the gold cart. Consider the fact that while Tyson is huge over in Japan, they probably would not care as much about what he does as much as we do.
Can someone translate these?
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Ya someone translate this! Was the dude like the grand champion or something? and is what he is holding a one of a kind award!? :o
(http://www.subphylumclothing.com/golfjapantournyad.jpg)
There was another thread that had a picture of this and you were asking about it but I can't find it now so I made a new one.
Here's part of the ad for the Golf Japan Course Tournament. That cool looking holder for the gold disk was the prize for places 1-100. It has the gold game as well as a gold booklet of some sort that has your score in it and your name written on the front. Then there was a total of 5000 regular gold disks given out as prizes. Places 101-500 won the disk outright (sucks to be 101!!). Then the remaining 4600 were drawing prizes. 1000 drawn from places 501-3000, 1000 drawn from places 3001-10000, and 600 drawn from all scores that ended in a 2 or a 6.
So I guess the ultimate grail may be this grand prize since only 100 were given out and I've never seen one. I would think people wouldn't sell them since they have their names on them.
Thanks for that info. :) I've added it to the shrine. If you can give me any info on my previous post in this thread, it'd be a big help. If not, I'll have to track down manuel.
So this is the guide book for Golf US Course. The front cover (first picture) says "Winners technique". Then the inside (second picture) says that the guy was the winner of the Japan Course Tournament and his score was way better than the second place person. The book explains his winning techniques so you can play better on the US course.
I'm not sure if he actually wrote some of this book, but I kinda doubt it though, so I guess he is just endorsing it.
So that means those special prizes given to the top 100 winners was done for both of the tournaments. I need to edit the shrine again. Thanks for the translation.
BTW: If you've got anything the shrine doesn't have, featherpluck, please take some pics and post them or send them to me, so I can add them. Much appreciated. :)
Can someone give me verbatim translation of this:
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And featherpluck, notice that red colored foam in the poster pic you posted? Have you ever seen a Disk-kun with red foam?
I think those pins or magets or whatever say "disk-kun" but its small and hard to read. What are they from?
I'm not sure about the red foam, I never really paid attention to that. I'll pay attention when I see one though now, anyone else?
Those are magnets from the stationery set. I'll try to get better pics. Remember, there are two stationery sets. The one that's yellow says "Nintendo" in English lettering. This one says something different in Japanese characters. I'm still trying to figure out where the white set comes from. Probably from the tournament, but maybe not.
I think I've confirmed that the Japan Course gold disk is the most rare. See the Japan Course poster on the Plugs page. Looks like Nintendo gave out 5,100 copies. The first 100 were in the wooden cases. The rest were in Disk-kun. All the other tournament prizes, from what I've seen, had 10,000 copies given out.
The white stationery set remains a mystery, as does the alleged 5th tournament.