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Title: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 12:54:54 am
Heard that you can connect it in a vcr to a tv and get that to work, how do you set yore vcr to do that?

I have a japanese famicom and a pal tv. I get a clear image but just parts of the sound when i plugg it directly to the tv. Its an hdtv. Is the only way to get an older tv? the vcr method would be cool if it worked.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 07, 2012, 01:18:28 am
Quote from: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 12:54:54 am
I get a clear image but just parts of the sound

So the only problem is sound? What do you mean by "parts of the sound"?
I have a PAL HDTV and have no problem with Famicom.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 01:40:51 am
i have a japanese famicom! i mean i can hear some faint sounds, allot of static sound aswell!
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 07, 2012, 02:06:04 am
Cool down, we all have Japanese Famicoms ;D
Try to search your TV's menu for some sound settings, there might be a way to change the "norm" of the sound.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 02:31:05 am
hehe yeah no i thought you thought i had a hongkong pal famicom, yeah i have looked trough those settings but its the same
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 07, 2012, 02:53:51 am
http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=7151.0
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: 80sFREAK on June 07, 2012, 06:26:06 am
Hell! I have japanese Famocom too :)
Look sound coming in a few standarts 4.5MHz, 5.5MHz and up/down, so play little bit with TV settings
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 08:17:55 am
cool, i actually found a sound setting where you could change lot of things, but had no idea to what. Gonna try getting a image of it
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: 133MHz on June 07, 2012, 08:37:22 am
If you have a "Sound System" option, try setting it to M.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: fredJ on June 07, 2012, 08:52:07 am
So you all get it to work on PAL now? No one I know has gotten it to work on PAL. You must have very good or special televisions. Why else would I have to mod all famicoms I sell? Please tell me what television I need to get my famicom to work with sound...
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 09:18:21 am
This is the settings for sound ! no idea how to set

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cswTrGmstXM/T9DUAdb7WZI/AAAAAAAAAZg/GPnY6FuD8OQ/s1600/IMG_0484.JPG)
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: 133MHz on June 07, 2012, 08:44:37 pm
That's just a multi-band equalizer. :(
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 07, 2012, 09:58:42 pm
Quote from: fredJ on June 07, 2012, 08:52:07 am
So you all get it to work on PAL now? No one I know has gotten it to work on PAL. You must have very good or special televisions. Why else would I have to mod all famicoms I sell? Please tell me what television I need to get my famicom to work with sound...

Hey I live in the middle of PAL territory and I hadn't any problem with Famicoms since 2-3 years back. All TVs made in the last years are "compatible" :D
My mistake, those were all av-moded famicoms.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 11:21:32 pm
Quote from: 133MHz on June 07, 2012, 08:44:37 pm
That's just a multi-band equalizer. :(


ahh ok, tried fiddleing with thoose but nothing
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 08, 2012, 12:05:00 am
Upload a recording of those sounds, and check this
http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=7132.msg115523#msg115523
-isn't this problem similar to yours?
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 08, 2012, 03:57:31 am
There it is

https://vimeo.com/43659022 (https://vimeo.com/43659022)
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: fredJ on June 08, 2012, 04:53:13 am
Quote from: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 09:18:21 am
This is the settings for sound ! no idea how to set

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cswTrGmstXM/T9DUAdb7WZI/AAAAAAAAAZg/GPnY6FuD8OQ/s1600/IMG_0484.JPG)


Maybe you should let us AV-modify your famicom...
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Samfisher1984 on June 08, 2012, 05:13:19 am
Quote from: fredJ on June 08, 2012, 04:53:13 am
Quote from: Samfisher1984 on June 07, 2012, 09:18:21 am
This is the settings for sound ! no idea how to set


Maybe you should let us AV-modify your famicom...


where would i find you? and what would it cost me?
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: fredJ on June 13, 2012, 12:00:45 pm
I just tried out my square button famicom actually, and it worked with no trouble on my TV. Had to fine tune the sound a little.
So there you go, I was wrong.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 14, 2012, 12:54:14 am
My friend just managed to get clear sound and video from his unmodded Famicom by RF on a Sony 3D LED TV - PAL. So maybe new TVs are finally compatible.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Da Bear on June 14, 2012, 07:16:44 am
My LG 50" Plasma PAL won't even tune in an image from the Famicom. So its trial and error which TV that does work. Maybe we could make a thread with PAL devices that are compatible with Famicom through RF.
My other tube TVs can tune in the picture, but no sound as usual.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Da Bear on June 14, 2012, 10:14:55 am
Sure is, fredJ managed to tune in his Famicom on his PAL tv. jpx72 reported that a friend of his got positive result on his PAL tv to with a Famicom. :pow:
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 14, 2012, 12:23:32 pm
I'll try to get the exact model of that TV.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: 80sFREAK on June 14, 2012, 04:09:42 pm
Quote from: Da Bear on June 14, 2012, 10:14:55 am
Sure is, fredJ managed to tune in his Famicom on his PAL tv. jpx72 reported that a friend of his got positive result on his PAL tv to with a Famicom. :pow:
With black'n white picture? LOL
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Da Bear on June 14, 2012, 10:45:52 pm
We are in 2012 in Europe. Not 1950, of course the picture is in color.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Da Bear on June 15, 2012, 05:16:38 am
Don't have to, I already know the differences. But that does not change the fact that fredJ has tuned in a Famicom on his PAL tv over RF. With both color AND sound.
My Denver, Panasonic and Samsung PAL tubes can tune in a Famicom with color over RF, but they are not capable of finding the sound.
My LG Plasma can't tune in the Famicom at all.

I assume you think we are lying, but that is entirely up to you.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Da Bear on June 15, 2012, 06:00:20 am
Why didn't you say so from the start if your so smart? Instead of pointing fingers and talking crap about black and white pictures and so on. Some people just want to argue about everything.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Da Bear on June 15, 2012, 06:37:18 am
Yeah!  ;D
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 16, 2012, 01:10:34 pm
Quote from: jpx72 on June 14, 2012, 12:23:32 pm
I'll try to get the exact model of that TV.

okay it's *Sony* Bravia *KDL*-*46EX720*
PAL of course ;)
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: jpx72 on June 18, 2012, 02:01:48 am
Well there might be some info on the manufacturers site when you search for the model number, but I don't have a clue. It was bought in a standard european shop for (higher)standard TV watching.
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: Finfami on August 13, 2015, 12:32:59 pm
Old thread but I discovered that the older one of my two Famicoms works with picture and sound if I plug the antenna cable to vcr instead of directly to TV. Sound quality is flawless but picture has some heavy interference which I guess is normal in this situation (radio broadcasts at the same frequenciens in here Europe?) Mod seems to be the only way to achieve satisfying image quality.


Edit: my antenna cable is the cheapest one I found from eBay, that probably doesn't help with the interference....
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: RoboPirate on November 22, 2015, 09:32:05 am
With the help of FAMICOM_87 in another thread I finally got my TV to find both the image and sound in excellent quality on an unmodified Famicom.
I have a Sony Bravia TV, PAL B.

Here's how I did it:
As has already been stated here, the sound carrier offset differs for different regions. The Famicom outputs the sound 4.5 MHz above the video, and PAL B has the sound 5.5 MHz above the video. In other words my TV can't normally find both sound and video at the same time.

As FAMICOM_87 explained, if you open up your Famicom(unscrew about 12 screws) you will find a PCB inside. In one end of the PCB there is a large metal box, this box is the RF modulator. In the middle of the RF modulator there is a circular hole, and in the hole is a screw. By using a really small screwdriver you can alter the frequency of the sound by screwing/unscrewing this screw.

I suppose this is normally used for fine-tuning, however I managed to change the frequency by a full MHz(My TV picked up the sound at 96.40 MHz), and so the difference in sound carrier offsets was finally overcome!  ;D


@Finfami if you are having a problem with interference you can always cover the antenna cable with aluminium foil. No joke actually. The cable acts as a really long antenna so it should be no surprise it can pick up unwanted broadcasts. A single layer of aluminium foil works like a charm. Put some electric tape around it if you want it to stay in place(and look like a regular cable).
Title: Re: Japanese famicom on pal tv trough VCR?
Post by: FAMICOM_87 on November 24, 2015, 10:55:58 am
I am glad that I can be helpful  :D
just look my results picture and sound quality are just awesome !! you can not belive this is an RF modulated image !  8)
just use a coaxial cable this is the way !

https://www.google.bg/search?q=coaxial+cable&client=opera&channel=suggest&hl=bg&tbm=isch&prmd=ivnsp&ei=dbJUVtKcG8HCsgH8goSQCg&start=0&sa=N


http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=12321.0