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Misc. => Other Gaming => Topic started by: ulera on August 06, 2012, 12:33:04 am

Title: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 06, 2012, 12:33:04 am
So during a lan party I was moving my sony Trintron when it rolled and hit the floor. So now all of my retro consoles are plugged into my HDTV and well... the results speak for themselves

(http://i.imgur.com/gLsQV.jpg)

Everything looks very choppy... does anybody here have a good solution to this?
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: DerZocker on August 06, 2012, 01:07:33 am
If the platform has the compability, use an RGB cable. That way you'll have at least a pixelperfect picture
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 06, 2012, 01:09:51 am
Unfortunatly that's not an option for my AV famicom or my toaster NES.

EDIT: Or any of my consoles because my TV doesn't take scart. I'd  have to find a way to convert it to componant or vga
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: Frank_fjs on August 06, 2012, 07:28:03 am
You could spend a fortune on an upscaler with fake scanline generator but they do work better with an RGB input.

Better option is to just grab another CRT, they're usually free or cheap as chips these days.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: tonev on August 07, 2012, 03:05:39 am
depends on the crt  :P
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 07, 2012, 10:39:54 am
The best option would be an hdtv that would just display a picture without butchering it.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: GohanX on August 07, 2012, 11:04:47 pm
Sure, but that's not really entirely possible with a fixed pixel display with a much higher resolution than our beloved 240p systems. The best we can hope for is scalers/filters that don't suck or cause lag.

Or, cruise Craigslist for a good used Trinitron and find a strong buddy to help you move it.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 07, 2012, 11:50:41 pm
A trintron is actually what I used to have lol.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: narunetto on August 08, 2012, 02:27:29 am
I have a nice Sony Trinitron WEGA HD unit and it works really well with older stuff. The video processor in that TV is amazing. Now, compare this with the scaler in my Samsung LCD which is absolute crap.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: Epic_Lotus on August 09, 2012, 06:47:51 pm
I had this problem on my old HDTV.  I couldn't even play Virtual Console games on it   :'(.

Some of the newer TV's will have a "Game Mode" that you can select that should fix the jittery picture.  Otherwise, just pick up another CRT.  I bought a great 19" at Goodwill last month for $1.  It even has a built-in VCR that works   ;D
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: tonev on August 10, 2012, 06:02:29 am
damn i wish i could by an old crt for 1$ i am going to pay 30$ for mine... ( but it is 21" but still )
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: 80sFREAK on August 10, 2012, 06:36:50 am
Quote from: GohanX on August 07, 2012, 11:04:47 pm
Sure, but that's not really entirely possible with a fixed pixel display with a much higher resolution than our beloved 240p systems. The best we can hope for is scalers/filters that don't suck or cause lag.

Or, cruise Craigslist for a good used Trinitron and find a strong buddy to help you move it.
True, scalers making quite funny effects. Like the edge of border and screen you can see sort of "chess field" and also vertical bars every secon pixel. I can see that on my 15" Sharp Aquos and shit scared to ask, how it looks like on big panels. 

+1 for trinitron.  i have 14" one, a bit small, but fit perfect on the shelf :) all good, only the thing is mask holder inside of tube - you can see two horizontal lines dividing screen in three parts :)
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ericj on August 10, 2012, 07:04:05 am
I use a scaler for my retro consoles so they display in 480P, but it leaves slight artifacts with fast motion. There isn't any lag with it though, so I can live with the artifacts issue given that the tv is 73" and is too big to hide the PQ problems anyways.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: famiac on August 10, 2012, 08:39:34 am
I have a Sony PVM-2950Q and a PVM-1353md. Fantastic pieces of equipment for rgb gaming.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 10, 2012, 02:16:05 pm
Quote from: ericj on August 10, 2012, 07:04:05 am
I use a scaler for my retro consoles so they display in 480P, but it leaves slight artifacts with fast motion. There isn't any lag with it though, so I can live with the artifacts issue given that the tv is 73" and is too big to hide the PQ problems anyways.


What type of Scaler do you use?
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ericj on August 10, 2012, 02:26:43 pm
Quote from: ulera on August 10, 2012, 02:16:05 pm
What type of Scaler do you use?


I use a Key Digital scaler, model VPHD2, but mine's the silver iSync Pro version.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 11, 2012, 02:41:32 am
I looked up the price on one of those :o

I think I'll just stick with my CRT tv.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: FamicomRetroGamer on August 12, 2012, 08:48:20 am
Emulators on PC + HDTV = Awesome

A couple of months I played NES on my HDTV and it looked great, I just connected it with an RF cable, nothing fancy.

By RF cable, it's this: http://www.nextd.co.uk/images/products/rf_cable.jpg
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 12, 2012, 04:04:51 pm
That's cool and all, but I don't emulate.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: FamicomRetroGamer on August 13, 2012, 07:44:42 am
If you don't emulate then you can't expect great results then.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 18, 2012, 11:39:55 pm
Yeah... I don't even really like playing games on my Wii's VC. There just something about the feel of the original controller in your hand you know :gamer:

The only problem is without a decent scaler they all look like grab.

I own one of these I use for my Wii: http://www.amazon.com/Component-video-YPbPr-Converter-Up-scale/dp/B0016SN49Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345358267&sr=8-2&keywords=vga+upscaler

But you do really get what you pay for, it only upscales to 720p and my retro consoles don't even have a viable way to hook up to the VGA or Component inputs. I'd even have to get some sort of scart to VGA adapter if I were going to use it with my SNES/Genesis.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ericj on August 18, 2012, 11:59:07 pm
I use the GameCube to NES port cables to use real NES controllers on my Wii through FCEUGX. What's nice is the ability to have save states and play all roms, even FDS.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 19, 2012, 12:10:35 am
I actually have an snes/Nes adapter to use on the wii... except the Nes port is obviously the same kinda plug you would use for a genesis controller. That is false advertising right there.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ericj on August 19, 2012, 12:23:35 am
I have the NES & SNES kind from RetroUSB.com. They work great.
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: g_block on August 23, 2012, 04:59:59 pm
Quote from: ulera on August 19, 2012, 12:10:35 am
I actually have an snes/Nes adapter to use on the wii... except the Nes port is obviously the same kinda plug you would use for a genesis controller. That is false advertising right there.


The newer ones, come with a cord that allows you to use NES controllers as well. But if you don't mind the corded option, I second the RetroUSB GC port NES and SNES adapters
Title: Re: Retro consoles on HDTVs
Post by: ulera on August 23, 2012, 06:03:00 pm
I don't have a newer one though, so I still feel like.they weren't being honest with me.