Famicom World

I found a pretty cool video that lets you hear the audio difference between 17 different Famicom consoles. I'm curious which one you like best? I'd suggest listening to the clip multiple times, but I've also allowed for your vote to be changed in the poll options. Personally, I like some of the later models with a mix of nice bold bass and moderately clean trebles. How about you?

http://en.nicovideo.geo.jp/?sm16346242 (http://en.nicovideo.geo.jp/?sm16346242)

Add eqalizer and increase your list to the 100 positions.

Quote from: 80sFREAK on August 06, 2013, 05:27:43 pm
Add eqalizer and increase your list to the 100 positions.

I apologize, I don't understand your post?  :-[

I just wanted to get everyone's opinions on the Famicoms listed in the video. While i'm sure it's not 100% accurate due to the compressed nature of internet videos, it still gives a fair basis for comparison.

This days equalizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_%28audio%29) shrinked into 5 presets usually "news", "classic", "disco", "rock", "normal". So you can multiply your list 5 times. Look, ANY Famicom based on 2A03, which generating SAME sound. The rest of audio circuit working as equalizer. Want to compare? Compare signal on pin1 and pin2 with digital signal analyser. Otherwise we will go to discuss oxygen-free wires wrapped into thai silk and placed curtain way to avoid interferences from moon phases ;D

(added) Ah, forgot to add - few revisions of 2A03 exist, i know about A(not marked), E and G, so they might output signal slightly different.

P.S. if someone using FM radio for Famicom's sound, they can try to play with presets of built-in equalizer.

Quote from: 80sFREAK on August 06, 2013, 05:43:43 pm
This days equalizer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_%28audio%29) shrinked into 5 presets usually "news", "classic", "disco", "rock", "normal". So you can multiply your list 5 times. Look, ANY Famicom based on 2A03, which generating SAME sound. The rest of audio circuit working as equalizer. Want to compare? Compare signal on pin1 and pin2 with digital signal analyser.

Ok, so each different Famicom is working as an equalizer of sorts. Still each stock Famicom appears to sound different without an external equalizer, and some people like myself find it interesting.

By using equalizer you can correct imperfections of signal or(as it was initially) acoustic equipments/room.

Quote from: 80sFREAK on August 06, 2013, 05:54:23 pm
By using equalizer you can correct imperfections of signal or(as it was initially) acoustic equipments/room.

Once again, I understand your external equalizer argument, but I'm just talking about the raw untouched audio signal from each Famicom. They each had their own pre-sets from the factory due to their circuitry, and that was the point of this thread.

Right, and my point - if you don't like sound of your famicom, you can change it, to make it sounds like any other famicom from your list.

You can watch Nicovideo without an account now?! :o
First of all, how do I know which one of these I have? I have a model 101, serial HN10871344. ???

Furthermore, I would also like to hijack this thread to ask which is the best way to make hardware recordings:

-studio-quality microphone to the TV speakers (using RF)?
-Plugging in the NES/FC's AV to a computer's microphone jack?
-disabling the NES's PPU to reduce hum & trying the second option?
-is the humming noise even prevalent when plugging in AV to a TV?

I just don't know anymore! :'(

I need you 80sFREAK!

Quote from: Jedi QuestMaster on August 06, 2013, 09:26:27 pmFurthermore, I would also like to hijack this thread to ask which is the best way to make hardware recordings:

Go ahead

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-studio-quality microphone to the TV speakers (using RF)?

NO

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-Plugging in the NES/FC's AV to a computer's microphone jack?

Possible, but better to use "Line in"

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-disabling the NES's PPU to reduce hum & trying the second option?

You'd say build entire new thing, just to play tunes, with proper grounding, shielding, power filtering and normalizing level of each channel with adjustable mixer? It's possible even on perfboard  ;)

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-is the humming noise even prevalent when plugging in AV to a TV?

Something wrong somewhere  ???

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I just don't know anymore! :'(

I need you 80sFREAK!

Don't know the differences to vote.

My answer = my Famicom, through headphones.

I like the deep quality of the AN-505 (Twin Turbo), and it doesn't drown out the FDS expansion channels like in the AN-510 (Titler).  By the way, do you realize that the repeat listings of the Twin models are just for external/direct sampling from the same model?

Quote from: naI on August 07, 2013, 03:35:15 pm
I like the deep quality of the AN-505 (Twin Turbo), and it doesn't drown out the FDS expansion channels like in the AN-510 (Titler).  By the way, do you realize that the repeat listings of the Twin models are just for external/direct sampling from the same model?

I agree wholeheartedly with your choice.

Also, I can't read Kanji so I just gave the options shown in the video.  :-[

Bringin' back the '80s this thread:

To 80sFREAK:
Is this a good recording? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsERbZj-IKk

By the way, how does everyone feel about how NES compares with FC audio?

Koitsu here (http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9474&sid=8b16776ad8eb1bdba311389c5696b001#p102675) explains that it's much like the AV Famicom with a noticeable low pass filter.

Quote from: Jedi QuestMaster on August 19, 2013, 10:35:43 pm
Bringin' back the '80s this thread:

To 80sFREAK:
Is this a good recording? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsERbZj-IKk

By the way, how does everyone feel about how NES compares with FC audio?

Koitsu here (http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9474&sid=8b16776ad8eb1bdba311389c5696b001#p102675) explains that it's much like the AV Famicom with a noticeable low pass filter.

Quite big humming sound in the pauses. May add just little bit treble, but not sure, how voice sample will sounds.

I rediscovered this video the other day.  The video maker certainly has a very wide variety of Famicom hardware available to him.  Only the Sharp C1 Famicom TV doesn't have a sample, and the reason why is obvious.

Here are a few notes about the Famicoms :

01 : HVC-CPU(01) (either fixed or missed in the recall)
02 : HVC-CPU-05
03 : HVC-CPU-06
04 : HVC-CPU-07 Older Manufacture (Likely a Rev E CPU)
05 : HVC-CPU-07 Newer Manufacture (Likely a Rev G CPU)
06 : HVC-CPU-08
07 : HVC-CPU-GPM-01
08 : HVC-CPU-GPM-02
09 : HVCN-CPU-01 (AV Famicom)
10 : HVCN-CPU-02 (AV Famicom)
11 : AN500, Before Output & External FDS (Twin Famicom)
12 : AN500, Before Output & Internal FDS (Twin Famicom)
13 : AN500, Rear Output & External FDS (Twin Famicom)
14 : AN500, Rear Output & Internal FDS (Twin Famicom)
15 : AN505, External FDS (Twin Famicom Turbo)
16 : AN505, Internal FDS (Twin Famicom Turbo)
17 : AN510 (Famicom Titler)

I do not know the difference between 11 & 12 and 13 & 14.  It sounds like 13 and 14 are using the rear AV jacks for output.  The Twin has an RF port, but it does not sound like that source is being used for 11 and 12.  Perhaps there is a spot on the Twin's PCBs where you can easily tap the mixed audio. It should be obvious that all the original Famicoms have their audio being tapped from pin 46, not from RF. 

My impressions are that I do not really hear differences between the pre-GPM units.  The HVC-CPU-07 seems to be the most common original Famicom PCB revision and it seems to be the ideal of how most people would have experienced expansion audio, especially with FDS and earlier games. 

The GPM units tend to be subtly distinct from each other and the expansion audio is a little more prominent than in the HVC units, but to say that the expansion audio drowns out the internal audio is an exaggeration.  The AV Famicoms are in the same league as the GPM units here, but sound a tad cleaner. 

The Sharp units, even the Titler, sounds like they overdid it on the filtering.  The sound is rather muffled.