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Misc. => Other Gaming => Topic started by: Walky on December 30, 2008, 08:06:34 pm

Title: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on December 30, 2008, 08:06:34 pm
I've just finished building my custom "4 in 1" cart, I put the following games on it:

-Contra , japanese version, fan-translated and renamed "Gryzor" (map and cutscenes not found in the US version)
-Super C
-Ninja Gaiden 2
-Ninja Gaiden 3. Almost used the japanese one (passwords!) but that would've let me without understanding the plot, so... US version it is!. Anyway, it is Ninja Gaiden... It's supposed to be challenging!

(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/662/img4209smallsi6.th.jpg) (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4209smallsi6.jpg)

(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/252/img4147smallan8.th.jpg) (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4147smallan8.jpg)

(http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5485/img4190smallyc7.th.jpg) (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4190smallyc7.jpg)

Each game is 128kB + 128kB in size (PRG + CHR), so I used two 4mbit (512 kByte) EPROMS (27c040) to hold all four games.
Game selection is made by dipswitches in a way similar to some multigame Atari 2600 pirate carts, by swapping the two highest EPROM adresses between high and low.

Never mind the label (the donor board was Super Mario Bros 3, but I had this case at hand). I'll design and print a proper label soon.

I built it just for fun, but it's still cool to be able to play these games without having to dig into my collection looking for each specific cart :D

Oh, and yes, I know it looks like a NWC wannabe  ;D

EDIT: Deleted the double post.  --JC
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: JC on December 31, 2008, 01:53:37 pm
That's pretty cool. Every once in a while I run into a Famicom cart that's got dip switches and a complex dip switch settings list showing you how to access each game. No clue why it took so long for piraters to figure out menu screens.
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: FamicomFreak on December 31, 2008, 02:19:27 pm
Ah that's so kewl. Can you make me one????
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: 133MHz on December 31, 2008, 02:22:19 pm
Quote from: JC on December 31, 2008, 01:53:37 pm
No clue why it took so long for piraters to figure out menu screens.


They had to create their own mapper from scratch to implement a menu screen. And it had to be cheap.
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: NintendoKing on January 01, 2009, 03:35:22 pm
It does look like the switch on a NWC cart. Nice, you should make your own NWC cart in grey and print out a label that looks original to fool your friends but dont ever claim its real.

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/Evil_Vlad/NWCCART.jpg)
Theres the label for a official NWC Cart, I changed the Number to 0000.
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on January 04, 2009, 02:49:34 pm
Sorry for not replying before  ;D

If I could make a working NWC repro then I would, but I can't :(
It would be still cool to have a non-working NWC cart anyway, but I'd prefer to use that board and case for an eprom cart (I almost don't have any doubles).

¡Nice label! I'll keep it anyway if I eventually decide to make one, even if I cannot play it (I still hope to someday have enough info and experience to make a working one).

Quote from: FamicomFreak on December 31, 2008, 02:19:27 pm
Ah that's so kewl. Can you make me one????


I think I could make another one if I'm offered something interesting for a trade, because this one's for me (just finished Super C again 2 days ago :D).

Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: satoshi_matrix on January 04, 2009, 06:51:40 pm
Pretty cool man. Would you consider writing up a tutorial on how to do this?
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on January 04, 2009, 07:47:40 pm
Quote from: satoshi_matrix on January 04, 2009, 06:51:40 pm
Pretty cool man. Would you consider writing up a tutorial on how to do this?


Thanks!

I'd like to write one eventually, but I'd like to make a few more multicarts before, until I feel I've perfected it enough to make a tutorial about it. In other words: if I'm gonna make a tutorial, I want it to be a really good one  ;D
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: NintendoKing on January 05, 2009, 07:19:36 am
Quote from: Walky on January 04, 2009, 02:49:34 pm
Sorry for not replying before  ;D

If I could make a working NWC repro then I would, but I can't :(
It would be still cool to have a non-working NWC cart anyway, but I'd prefer to use that board and case for an eprom cart (I almost don't have any doubles).

¡Nice label! I'll keep it anyway if I eventually decide to make one, even if I cannot play it (I still hope to someday have enough info and experience to make a working one).

Quote from: FamicomFreak on December 31, 2008, 02:19:27 pm
Ah that's so kewl. Can you make me one????


I think I could make another one if I'm offered something interesting for a trade, because this one's for me (just finished Super C again 2 days ago :D).




Thats an official label, completely correct, except a number 0000 never existed.
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on January 05, 2009, 07:27:31 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 05, 2009, 07:19:36 am
Quote from: Walky on January 04, 2009, 02:49:34 pm
Sorry for not replying before  ;D

If I could make a working NWC repro then I would, but I can't :(
It would be still cool to have a non-working NWC cart anyway, but I'd prefer to use that board and case for an eprom cart (I almost don't have any doubles).

¡Nice label! I'll keep it anyway if I eventually decide to make one, even if I cannot play it (I still hope to someday have enough info and experience to make a working one).

Quote from: FamicomFreak on December 31, 2008, 02:19:27 pm
Ah that's so kewl. Can you make me one????


I think I could make another one if I'm offered something interesting for a trade, because this one's for me (just finished Super C again 2 days ago :D).




Thats an official label, completely correct, except a number 0000 never existed.


¿Are you 100% sure they started on 0001? Some people like to start with 0000; it's very unlikely, but who knows...
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: NintendoKing on January 05, 2009, 07:57:11 am
Quote from: Walky on January 05, 2009, 07:27:31 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 05, 2009, 07:19:36 am
Quote from: Walky on January 04, 2009, 02:49:34 pm
Sorry for not replying before  ;D

If I could make a working NWC repro then I would, but I can't :(
It would be still cool to have a non-working NWC cart anyway, but I'd prefer to use that board and case for an eprom cart (I almost don't have any doubles).

¡Nice label! I'll keep it anyway if I eventually decide to make one, even if I cannot play it (I still hope to someday have enough info and experience to make a working one).

Quote from: FamicomFreak on December 31, 2008, 02:19:27 pm
Ah that's so kewl. Can you make me one????


I think I could make another one if I'm offered something interesting for a trade, because this one's for me (just finished Super C again 2 days ago :D).




Thats an official label, completely correct, except a number 0000 never existed.


¿Are you 100% sure they started on 0001? Some people like to start with 0000; it's very unlikely, but who knows...


They didnt start with 0001 either, they just did random numbers for some reason.
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on January 05, 2009, 08:51:00 am
I saw it some time ago in Kevin Horton's site (by far the most complete tech info about NWC that I've found so far); anyway, it's a beautiful board  :)

I would be REALLY nice to have the cart's schematics, or scans of the boards on both sides without the ICs (that would make it waaaay easier to make a repro), but that's very unlikely to happen :(

Maybe it'd be possible to reproduce the cart using only the info from KH as a reference (http://www.tripoint.org/kevtris/mappers/nes_custom/NES_EVENT.html) but it'd still be quite difficult to figure out everything anyway (probably not so much for someone more experienced than I).

BTW, do you by chance happen to have an image of the back of the board?. The front one you posted is really nice, and by having high quality images of both sides I think I might be able to get close to an schematic (the real problem is to figure out the traces under the ICs)
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on January 05, 2009, 09:59:16 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 05, 2009, 09:40:08 am
Well, maybe my friend will take his apart again and take a picture of the back for me to show you.

I will ask him sometime.


Thanks! It would be great to have hi-res images from different angles of the board!
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: NintendoKing on January 06, 2009, 03:17:16 pm
Quote from: Walky on January 05, 2009, 09:59:16 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 05, 2009, 09:40:08 am
Well, maybe my friend will take his apart again and take a picture of the back for me to show you.

I will ask him sometime.


Thanks! It would be great to have hi-res images from different angles of the board!

I asked him and he said that tamporing with his NWC cart isnt good and that is not something he will continue doing.
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on January 06, 2009, 03:27:21 pm
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 06, 2009, 03:17:16 pm
Quote from: Walky on January 05, 2009, 09:59:16 am
Quote from: The Uninvited Gremlin on January 05, 2009, 09:40:08 am
Well, maybe my friend will take his apart again and take a picture of the back for me to show you.

I will ask him sometime.


Thanks! It would be great to have hi-res images from different angles of the board!

I asked him and he said that tamporing with his NWC cart isnt good and that is not something he will continue doing.


I understand, it's not easy to mess with such a expensive and rare cart (even I would feel a little guilty opening it if I had one). Thank you anyway for asking him.  ;)
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: nintendodork on January 06, 2009, 03:38:29 pm
I have a suggestion...

You could get an NWC repro off of www.retrousb.com ,take out the board inside...and stick it in your custom case ;D
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: nurd on January 06, 2009, 03:45:26 pm
But what fun would that be?
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: NintendoKing on January 06, 2009, 04:11:47 pm
Quote from: nurd on January 06, 2009, 03:45:26 pm
But what fun would that be?


Exactly, but modifying one of theirs might be fun?
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on January 06, 2009, 05:13:31 pm
Quote from: nintendodork on January 06, 2009, 03:38:29 pm
I have a suggestion...

You could get an NWC repro off of www.retrousb.com ,take out the board inside...and stick it in your custom case ;D


I'd rather keep it in it's case but try to reproduce the board so I can make a new repro from scratch (much more fun and rewarding that just swapping cases). I don't know if that repro's board use the same ICs as the real one or some substitutes; maybe the schematic is different. ¿Does anybody here have one of those repros, or at least an image of the board?.

BTW, I had an idea yesterday, that could be used to make a multicart much cooler than the one from this topic, but I need to find some pics microcontrollers before starting. I'll keep you informed  ;D
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: nintendodork on January 06, 2009, 05:42:25 pm
Quote from: Walky on January 06, 2009, 05:13:31 pm
Quote from: nintendodork on January 06, 2009, 03:38:29 pm
I have a suggestion...

You could get an NWC repro off of www.retrousb.com ,take out the board inside...and stick it in your custom case ;D


I'd rather keep it in it's case but try to reproduce the board so I can make a new repro from scratch (much more fun and rewarding that just swapping cases). I don't know if that repro's board use the same ICs as the real one or some substitutes; maybe the schematic is different. ¿Does anybody here have one of those repros, or at least an image of the board?.

BTW, I had an idea yesterday, that could be used to make a multicart much cooler than the one from this topic, but I need to find some pics microcontrollers before starting. I'll keep you informed  ;D
I have an NWC Repro...but I'm a n00b so there's no way in Hell I'm opening it up ;D
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: NintendoKing on January 07, 2009, 10:11:10 am
Quote from: nintendodork on January 06, 2009, 05:42:25 pm
Quote from: Walky on January 06, 2009, 05:13:31 pm
Quote from: nintendodork on January 06, 2009, 03:38:29 pm
I have a suggestion...

You could get an NWC repro off of www.retrousb.com ,take out the board inside...and stick it in your custom case ;D


I'd rather keep it in it's case but try to reproduce the board so I can make a new repro from scratch (much more fun and rewarding that just swapping cases). I don't know if that repro's board use the same ICs as the real one or some substitutes; maybe the schematic is different. ¿Does anybody here have one of those repros, or at least an image of the board?.

BTW, I had an idea yesterday, that could be used to make a multicart much cooler than the one from this topic, but I need to find some pics microcontrollers before starting. I'll keep you informed  ;D
I have an NWC Repro...but I'm a n00b so there's no way in Hell I'm opening it up ;D


I plan on buying one of the repro's, also I know that the boards look completely different. The original has a really large board and the repro has a compact board like you would see in a regular game.
Title: Re: Custom "4 in 1" NES cart
Post by: Walky on March 05, 2010, 05:48:00 am
It took me a year to finally put a label on it, but damn it looks good now :D (the label seems a little dirty, but it's just a reflection)

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9256/img6376custom.jpg)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1180/img6375small.jpg)