So, I decided to sit down for about an hour or so with my new Famicom. All seems to be well until I saw this thing every so often(twice in two uses which totaled about two hours) where the screen would turn black for a few seconds with a white line(like when an old TV dies out or turns off) and then comes back on like I just changed a channel or something. The Famicom doesn't lose power or nothing. It's the video that goes out.
I'm using Channel 96, Famicom Channel set to 2, using NES RF Switch, and Famicom AC Adapter. I didn't play carts during this time. Just Zelda 1 and 2. What could be the cause? I'm guessing the RF Switch, but considering my trouble with the two games for the disk system, could it be a bigger problem than just a RF switch?
Yeah. I'm using my HDTV. Haven't had a problem with anything else. Hell, I didn't even use my RF but a few times and it worked every time.
Randomly. I took some video also of the other problem I was having. I'll put them in another thread.
Could also be interference from something else near your house or TV that's causing the problem.
Also, I shot these as well. This is the disk system trouble I was referring to as well as something I saw on the BIOS and Mario 3 cart that I don't know if that's classified a problem or not.\
The first one is something I saw on the BIOS that I also saw in a cart, but I don't know if that's a problem. But the Pro Wrestling and Super Mario Bros. 2, I know ARE real problems.
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Mario 3 does that regardless, it's the game not your system. It even does that emulated and on virtual console ports.
Okay, so that's not a problem. What about Mario 2 and Pro Wrestling?
That I honestly couldn't tell you. My Mario 2 doesn't do it and I don't have Pro Wrestling to test.
That's how it is for Mario 2 period on there, camera pointing at screen or not. It's that giant square block where his leg is supposed to be. At one time, I had a Twin Famicom and a NEW copy of Mario 2 and it NEVER did that.
So it would still be the case even though it works without error once in a blue moon? Also, couldn't it be a case of lost magnetism?
If it works without error once and a while, then the disk is probably fine. Could be a dirty spot on the disk or more likely that the RAM adapter needs slightly repositioned. Have you tried gently tapping the RAM adapter when you see the problem (not enough to freeze the game) to see if the sprites "fix" themselves during gameplay?
Tap it how?
With your finger--gently tap the top of the RAM adapter.
Quote from: 80sFREAK on September 02, 2012, 03:42:07 pm
Why other games are fine?
Magic. ::)
Basic troubleshooting instead of speculation never hurt, did it? I don't see why it's a bad idea to try, but if you can give a good reason, I'm all ears. ;)
Quote from: 80sFREAK on September 02, 2012, 10:15:44 pm
Found adaptor with the same similar glitch in graphics - blinking sprites in the bodies of wrestlers. It is not related to contacts of slot.
do you know where the root of problem lays?
bad RAM?
what about replacing RAM on RAM-adapter with SRAM? is it possible to perform this without a lot of love and grey hair?
Ok, let's continue...
So i found RAM adapter with similar problem. PCB is Revision 03 and DRAM is 4 16k*4 chips and CHR RAM is SONY CXK5864P-15. A bit slow, but chip is original, so i open few others to be sure about timing of CHR RAM. All the same chips.
Next step - resoldered slot just in case and cleaned PCB after.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/33ohdm0.jpg)
Nothing changed.
Resoldered CHR RAM chip and got i bit weird result - glitch still present, but a bit different way. After running test for a while glitch developed little bit.
Ok, let's replace RAM. Soldered socket and plugged Hyundai 8k*8 100ns SRAM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2q8aji1.jpg)
- all glitches gone. Win?! Not yet, i found another CXK5864P-15 chip and plugged into FDS. Guess what? Glitch appeared again, but more "weak" and random. 100ns chip back - all good.
So... AFAIK CXK5864P-15L usually used as WRAM for saves and might be used in RAM adaptor somewhere right next to it's limits. Aging, degrading under heat, X-ray can change characteristics of microchips, but is this a case?
2 famifan what is the point to replace DRAM chips with SRAM? Technically it is possible - you should latch row from LSI, latch columns from LSI and after that allow data access.
Quite interesting bug or "feature", so feel free to ask questions.
Quote from: 80sFREAK on September 03, 2012, 05:07:10 am
2 famifan what is the point to replace DRAM chips with SRAM? Technically it is possible - you should latch row from LSI, latch columns from LSI and after that allow data access.
originally i think that it was DRAM's problem. Good thing you find that SRAM causes the issues. :)
This is just one case and i need more statistics to be sure. I thought to heat-up original chip, while running test, but unfortunately they are under PCB.
Just say how much and I will send as soon as I can. So, it WASN'T the disk after all. Well, shit. I have two replacements on the way, if I see the same problem, then I know it's the adapter. In that case, you know anyone that needs another copy of these two games so I can get this fixed adapter shipped. You know, it SHOULD just be sent to me, as I pretty much paid $50 plus shipping which was quite a bit only to have a defective RAM adapter, but as long as I get one that's working, I don't give a shit how it has to come...
But I'm just throwing that out there. $165 for the lot and $120 shipping is quite an investment already, no? I would've assumed that I would've had 2 systems free of defect. I'm kinda pissed now about this. I'm not trying to overstep any bounds or make trouble but I do feel a little ticked that after all the money I spent to get these, I have to shell out more to get a working adapter sent to me when it was supposed to be working in the first place. Maybe I'm being sort of an asshole, but I leave it up to you guys to decide. I'm right, I'm right. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I just want a working Famicom and Disk System where I can throw anything I purchase at it and I don't have to be afraid of it not working.
I didn't take money for shipping. It was your choice of EMS, even i offered economy and split everything in three boxes without charging extra handling fees. Don't mess up.
I can not guarantee, that fault in the system, which i sent to you is exactly the same as i found in my adaptor.
But i can guarantee, that system, i examined yesterday with faster CHR RAM working just fine with pro wrestling.
You'd ask me "how did you tested unit before sale?" Simple - clean the slot, plug in, start up Zelda(it's 2 side), flip the disk, played little bit. No glitchy graphics - take photo, put in the box, list it.
I also would like to hear some other opinions about this case. FDS was sold AS IS - it's secondhand and old unit. FDS was tested with Zelda and does not show any glitches. FDS was not tested with pro-wrestling.
Personally i don't mind to send FREE replacement on my expenses. Not a big deal - 7USD economy, but this will be the last replacement. So, i would like to hear other voices.
Regarding the FDS - it is a highly temperamental piece of equipment, even when new they struggled to reliably read disks. They are very sensitive and I've never come across 2 systems that behave exactly the same.
JohnnyBlaze - I know how awful it feels to have a console that doesn't work as you would expect. It's something you have to come to peace with though, it's part of the game of retro collecting. These consoles are 25+ years old, it's amazing that they still work at all! Take a deep breath and look at the positives, you have a working disk system console, and barring some possible hiccups with the RAM adapter, it's working okay.
80sFREAK - I don't think you're necessarily obliged to send out a free RAM adapter, but given the low cost it might be something to consider, even if only for the sake of keeping another retro gamer smiling.
I'm with 80sFreak on this.
AS IS units for low cost, don't expect warranty.
Looks like all "advisors" disappeared from this thread :( I would like to hear more voices before make final decision.
I already gave my opinion, who else is more important than me? :D
Yes, most objective. Thank you for that. The point is - replacement is not giving away one more unit, but exchanging broken/glitchy one with working.
That sounds plausible I think.
Ok, guys, thank you all opinions, i appretiate that. Now i have to take action.
The lot was sold as secondhand on AS IS basis and is was clearly stated on description. Which means i don't have to do anything now.
BUT, as tech guy, i am curious if discovered glitch have the same nature as i found in one of mine adaptors. That's why i offered replacement. Again, REPLACEMENT, not giving away one more unit for free with free shipping.
So, if JohnnyBlaze want replacement, he have to send back glitchy RAM adaptor and when i will receive it, i will send another old secondhand unit in similar cosmetic condition or either replace CHR RAM chip in his unit with faster one(if this cause the problem).
No more, no less.
Appealing to the cost of spent money on initial EMS shipping will shift my mind to "AS IS" position.
He also sells them REFURBISHED, which is what it means when it's "cleaned and tested". This man, after I paid $315 his way, including $125 for shipping, expects me to pay $40 more dollars to send him a broken piece of shit which I have no use for and even shot video proving that it wasn't working. For that, I can BUY another RAM adapter, which by the way would actually be GUARANTEED! Also, did he mention to anyone that he only accepts PayPal Personal Payments so if something DOES come up and the items don't work, you can't get a refund? And it isn't even HIS PayPal account? He didn't DARE bother to tell you THAT did he? Nope! He did NOT. I've had enough patience dealing with this guy and I've had it. Now, he wants to vilify me, these are the reason why I ASKED for a replacement. I can understand it if didn't work say a month or so down the line. Yes, I'd accept that. But, not working from the minute I take it out of the box?! That's where I draw the line. You also saw how he pretty much got defensive when I and a few others said that it was a problem with the RAM Cart. He swore up and down that it was my disks. Guess what? I got the replacement disks today and same issue.
You want to paint me as a selfish asshole and whatnot? Gloves are OFF. Now, the whole story is out there.
1)paypal personal clearly stated on the sales thread
2)it's obvious, that is impossible to test a system with every existing title.
3)all items sold on AS IS basis, which also clearly stated
4)refund ususally does mean, that goods have to be returned to it's origin
5)expensive shipping was not my choice
6)even i sold FDS AS IS and he clearly understood it from beginning i offered replacement, which i don't have to
And no, i am not going to send one more RAM adaptor. FDS was sold AS IS, i tried to help, but it does not work.
As result, i am affraid i have to stop using paypal at all.
About personal payments - we are out of ebay and i assume, that all deals on this messageboard are private and have personal matter.
Why do you need to stop using PayPal? It's the most convenient form of payment for international buyers.
You did NOT try to help. You tried to escape responsibility for this from the very beginning. Just look at how defensive you got when I FIRST mentioned a problem. You probably KNEW it didn't work. I just love how even after you were proven WRONG, you still try to make yourself right. I sell items as well myself, but unlike YOU, EVERYTHING I SELL HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY TESTED! I don't just pop in one disk, ooh! it loads, it's working and box it up. NO! I play test EVERYTHING! A lot of it is stuff that I don't even use anymore. You even ADMITTED to me that's how you test it all out. I've got NOTHING to hide as I'm showing here. You however do seem to. I'm not going around in circles. BTW, isn't also hilarious that it seems that after the issue with the RAM adapter came to light, you are now selling off your stuff at a MASSIVE price cut? Like you want to get out of dodge or something? The timing sure seems to fit. You want his excuse for the RAM adapter? "Glitchy graphics doesn't mean it's broken" uh...YES IT DOES! Mr. Technicality, the Disk System sends the data to the RAM ADAPTER. If it cannot display them correctly, IT'S BROKEN!
All I know is this, after all the money I spent, I have a system with a RAM adapter that was no good from the time I opened the box. I bet that you didn't spend anytime PLAYING THE UNIT TO TEST IT?
Yeah, EVERYTHING in my thread is OLD JUNK over 25 years old, which is clearly stated.
As a reminder, all this stuff he's alluding to put into his thread, he added that AFTER I brought up the RAM adapter issue. Nice try. Jedi mind tricks don't work on me, boy.....
Oh, and I love how you're admitting here that all your stuff is old junk. If they were WORKING, they'd be MERCHANDISE. If it's old junk, which obviously to you it is, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SELL AND PAWN THIS SHIT ON TO PEOPLE? I hope everyone is seeing this. Unlike YOU, I care about other people and that's another reason I'm putting it out there. So that people don't have to make the same mistake that I did. When you never responded to my asking about prices until I botched and moaned, I should've taken it as a warning sign not to deal with you.
It was from beginnig. I just added more, even not in the fine print.
You did not. I don't know who the HELL you are trying to fool, but it's NOT ME!
Quote from: JohnnyBlaze on September 06, 2012, 08:56:41 pm
Oh, and I love how you're admitting here that all your stuff is old junk. If they were WORKING, they'd be MERCHANDISE. If it's old junk, which obviously to you it is, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO SELL AND PAWN THIS SHIT ON TO PEOPLE?
Did i forced you to buy it? I don't think so. Do you understand, that Famicom was discontinued in early 90's? Do you understand, that ALL Famicom related stuff is not new? And this is the matter of "retrogaming" as someone mentioned above.
QuoteI hope everyone is seeing this.
i hope too.
QuoteUnlike YOU, I care about other people and that's another reason I'm putting it out there. So that people don't have to make the same mistake that I did. When you never responded to my asking about prices until I botched and moaned, I should've taken it as a warning sign not to deal with you.
???
Good. Just read your update on my feedback page.
1)Looks like you still don't understand the meaning of the word "replacement"
2)I never asked you to pay $40+ to ship RAM adapter back, i only asked you to ship it back.
And that same person told you to send it, did he not? I want the replacement RAM adapter, as was promised. There is NOTHING wrong asking for something that you bought as WORKING, CLEANED, AND TESTED, to be just THAT. I said my piece. If you don't want to send it, which you now admit, you aren't, then I want everyone to take a long hard look at this. I came here to get a Famicom and Disk System that was WORKING and to be active in this community because it helped make me who I am today in terms of videos and the like. Instead, I get a piece of shit that doesn't work, aggravated until I was proven right, and even then refuses to do anything and hides behind bullshit excuses. I have ALL you said to me and you can edit threads, but you cannot delete messages. I just hope everyone else on here is not like you. You're the type of person who this board DOES NOT need. You are a predator, plain and simple. A thief. You want to be proven wrong? FIX THIS SITUATION! Man the fuck up and take responsibility. You were WRONG. ADMIT IT!
Oh and it DOES cost between $30-40 to send an item to Japan from the US. We don't have an economy option with the post office here. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
To anyone else in this thread, I apologize for my language, but I've had it up to HERE with this guy.
Right, i am wrong. That why i offered replacement. free.
OMG, please someone explain to him what is replacement
And someone should explain to YOU that for the price of sending it back to you, I could get another one from someone else. Shit, I could get another loose DISK SYSTEM with economy with the money it takes. If you were in the US, I'd have NO PROBLEM sending it to you. But, with the choices we have here, it's not worth the money. I'd practically be buying another one from you.
Also, someone should explain to you what BROKEN MEANS, because clearly you don't get it...
Ok, waiting for others voices...
Yes. Let's do that.....
I think you can do flat rate priority from the US to almost any country and it would cost less than $6 for something the size of the RAM adapter. Japan may be excluded, so I'd check the USPS site or go to your nearest post office.
I think sending a new RAM adapter, old one received or not, would be appropriate. In Japan you can probably get them for next to nothing.
Just checked the site. Their small priority flat rate for international is $17, but the box is only 1 1/2 or so inches deep. I'd need at least two inches, a little more to send it. The next size up is medium but the price JUMPS from $17 to $48!
Quote from: ericj on September 06, 2012, 10:24:39 pm
In Japan you can probably get them for next to nothing.
Really depends on where you live.
In my area, I can't find RAM adapters for under 1000 Yen. :'(
Five years ago there were plenty for cheap. I wonder what happened...
They were all imported to different countries, discarded when they failed to work, became parts donors to other projects, or got lost in someone's basement and washed away in the flood.
At least that's my guess.
RAM adaptors are pretty hard to find cheap actually, every once in a while you can luck out in a junk bin for 300-500 yen, but not often.
About the dispute, I am kind of in the middle.
On the one hand, I think it is unreasonable to expect systems to be tested on every possible game. I usually use the same method when I test a system; toss a random game in to make sure it works and play for a few seconds to test the controls. Also, these are decades old machines and if it says `as is` then that basically means as is.
On the other hand, I don`t understand the point of requiring him to go to the expense of mailing a broken part back, especially if it is going to cost that much. I`ve had a couple of systems or games I have sold end up not working properly when the buyer received them and when that happens I will usually either send a replacement for free or offer a refund and let them do whatever they want with the defective item. I don`t mark my stuff `as is` though, and I don`t sell FDS stuff, which is so notoriously finicky, so it might not work.
Anyway, this dispute seems to have spiralled out of control, it might be best for both of you to step back for a minute. This is totally an honest mistake that could have happened to anyone selling an FDS, I don`t think there is any need to accuse each other of having terrible intentions and make it all personal like that.
I get where you're coming from. What really pissed me off was how he blew me off when I first mentioned the issue. I basically explained the problem in a couple of threads. He kept insisting that it was my disks rather than something with the machine. It's one thing if he were to say "okay, let me see what's up and I'll get back to you." But, when he goes all out to dismiss it as a problem with what I was using and even insulted a couple of people who mentioned it(i.e. eric when he mentioned what it could be), acting defensive, then I become suspicious. All I mentioned was true. Could've worded it better, but it's been an aggravating struggle with him to even ADMIT there was a problem to begin with.
It's as I said earlier. Say if it were a month or so later then it broke, I'd take responsibility and say that it's my job now. But, when it comes here with a problem, then it's frustrating. As you said, you test it with a few titles. He told me that all he did was stick Zelda in there, loaded it up, and turned it off. One of the games I had an issue with was Super Mario Brothers 2. I cannot think of anyone with a Famicom Disk System, especially one who sells and buys that WON'T have it. If he would've tested that game, it would've happened to him.
I don't like how he handled the situation, especially with the amount of money that changed hands. I sold my Vita to get this. Why? Because fixing my old Turbo Twin(that I hated to get rid of, but medical bills were bad as I had severe health problems at the time) and discovering all these videos on the various Famicom stuff that I never saw(I grew up with the NES) made me start doing videos of my own. At a time in my life where I'm really starting to go over what made me happy, that Turbo Twin did.
But, money was tight, so I got the Famicom and Disk System in box because I've NEVER seen it in box for sale over here in the States, ESPECIALLY in the New York Area. These stores over here want $500 just for a non working Twin Famicom!
Knowing all that, imagine my frustration when it came and Super Mario 2 was a glitchy mess and when playing other games, you don't know when or if it will glitch up. Then asking for an explanation and getting the cold shoulder, then when you find out it was what you suspected, he tries to turn it around and make me out to be the bad guy because I bought working units and not junk. That's what I expected. A Famicom Disk System with a glitchy RAM adapter is NOT a working unit(contrary to his belief). It's a broken unit. What am I supposed to do with an FDS with no working RAM adapter?
After spending over $300 for a working Famicom and Disk System and games, wouldn't you want what you paid for too?
I just lost $304.50 and a bunch of items quite desirable items :( paypal put money on hold.
Looks like we have deal with classic ebay-style scam.
Someone new bought items, ordered most expensive shipping, got the items. CLAIMED THAT TRANSACTION WAS NOT AUTHORIZED or so i can not see any other way to claim on personal payment. So paypal returnedput on hold all the money and i lost the items.
He got his money and he got all the goods.
And yes, i've got a claim on paypal "item not as described". For a whole lot
i offered $25 refund which is a half price of FDS. If he takes it, he is good boy, if not, he is scammer.
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As a result i will not accept paypal anymore. Thank you
Not even from those who have had fluid transactions with you before? D: Was contemplating going through your sale list again but paypal is all I can do.
You can claim not authorized transaction on personal transfer when YOU make it? How long after the transaction was made? That is outrageous!
BTW you should tell us who that was.
Quote from: HokusaiXL on September 07, 2012, 02:21:36 am
Not even from those who have had fluid transactions with you before? D: Was contemplating going through your sale list again but paypal is all I can do.
We will talk about it later. At moment i am at the point of loose of to be exactly $315.
2 jpx72 as i can see on paypal account it was personal payment. First he tried to pay as goods, but i bounced payment back. Now i have claim "item not as described". It looks like, if you are not american, any claim from another side will be resolved... oh, we will see... Just look above, you can see the whole story.
Curious if he'll even reply after all of this, or if he'll fade off into obscurity.
What a horrible situation, very saddening as none of this was necessary.
We will see. As i said, i offered $25 partitial refund(half price of FDS system) as respond to claim. If he will accept it and close the dispute, he is good boy. otherwise he is ebay-style scammer.
I have read the whole topic from the beginning and I must hold 80sFREAK's side.
JohnnyBlaze, you realy think that stealing $300 form 80sFREAK is a good way to resolve this issue?
Have you seen his feedback? EVERYBODY is happy. You are the only one who's not.
We all know and agree on using presonal payments on these purchases, Famicomworld is not an e-shop! The whole buy/sale thread works on friendship, trust and understanding the fact that every picece sold here is very very old and can stop working even during the shiping process.
Man, that sucks. 25$ is way more than reasonable for a RAM adaptor. I hope you get the money back, 80sFreak.
While I - as a consumer/buyer myself - can surely understand Johnny's position, that he wants working equipment for his (big amount of) money... I must say that in the end I'm on 80sFreak's side.
Because of the reasons already stated very well by several people above.
We're dealing with 20-30 year old merchandise here. It can be damaged during transit, during X-ray screenings or who knows what the customs people do with the package.
I also think that a 25$ partial refund is a generous and reasonable offer. For that money you can possibly get another adapter off eBay or the like. It's an additional effort - I know - but it's better than nothing.
As someone who has talked a lot and also dealt with 80sFreak I can say that while he may come off as rough and even unfriendly sometimes, he really isn't. He's a nice guy and I don't believe he'd knowingly sell defect items. I believe 100% that the item was working at the time of shipment. And in my opinion testing hardware with 1 or 2 games is in any case sufficient. You can't possibly test every piece of hardware for every possible contingency. That's just not feasible.
I hope you two find a good solution to this...
I love how now you're trying to paint me as a scammer.
I told PayPal that all I wanted was either a RAM Adapter or the money to get another($50 to send it to him as I suspected, but later found out it was $48. But, they told me that they couldn't put it through like that, but he'd put it in his notes.
A member came through and offered me a trade for a working one. If he still wants to accept it, after the shit you're trying to pull, I'll take the offer(should be no more that $12 Priority flat rate) If not, I want you to send me a working one. All I want is a working
RAM adapter. I'm not trying to SCAM anyone as you claim. I want an apology also from those saying I was WITHOUT hearing the other side of the story. I just sat here for all this time and asked for a RAM adapter. If I wanted the whole money back or was looking to scam, I wouldn't have responded.
I doubt the Paypal people do even remotely know what a RAM adapter or even a Famicom is. And their system is flawed. It's either all or nothing.
I don't know the whole story, so I won't judge anybody. I just hope you two will be able to work it out somehow.
Well, looks like appetite coming during the meal and half price refund is already not enough.
At moment you took the good, which you not tend to send back and paypal put money on hold and most likely will return whole amount. It's a classic ebay-style SCAM.
It's a scam, right? That's why ulera got back to me and I agreed to accept your offer. I'm a man of MY word too. I'm just using what it costs to send the adapter to ulera and return you the rest. I never wanted your money, just the working adapter. How am I a scammer? I even TOLD them from the start that all I wanted was either the money to ship it back or him to agree to send another one. It's sad that another member had to step up to do what you should have done in the first place, but whatever. I accepted your offer, I have the email to prove it, now I want to hear from you.
I just checked USPS. they have international first class package. 1 pound is $11.60, you still stays on your $30-40 shipping cost? And i still have opened claim. And paypal hold money, and reversed some other transactions, which means my lost on other their fees. Who cares, right? Right.
Post Merge: September 07, 2012, 08:05:49 am
Yup, just checked account. case closed for now. we can move to the next step.
Last response as the matter is supposed to be settled.
They did NOT have that listed when I checked the site. It was either International Priority or Express. The rate was for Priority. If that cart wasn't t-shaped, it could've fit into a $16 Priority box. I PACK my stuff when I send it, return or whatever.
As to everyone who told me how much of a great person he is, just because you think you know somebody, doesn't mean you know them. It could be just one thing that went wrong, but as I stated earlier, it was his refusal to look into it, take responsibility when he saw I was right about the ordeal, and overall attitude toward me that sparked this.
If he would've just looked into it in the beginning like I asked him to do, and send a replacement RAM adapter, NONE of this would've happened.
Then he tries to paint me as a scammer. It's a shame that some of you would actually believe that when I said from the BEGINNING what I wanted. As far as I'm concerned, it's done and I want to thank ulera for stepping up when he really didn't have to. He's got more heart than you know to do something like that.
For those that took my side, thank you. For those that didn't or were quick to label me a scammer, I just hope now you realize what happens when you assume. You make an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
It will be settled completely, when i successfully withdraw money somewhere and shutdown paypal account.
Some new info coming on this case :)
Post Merge: September 14, 2012, 01:48:52 am
Quote from: 80sFREAK on September 01, 2012, 04:24:45 pm
Are you sure, that your TV is ok?
This.
Well... as far as the goes. The exchange has been made, so far Blaze's adapter has been working without any graphical glitches on my normal set up. (22" panasonic CRT) and the flatscreen I keep in my room (42" Vizio LCD).
He's been reporting the same glitch-free-ness using my adapter on his setup. So I'm not sure where the problems were originating.
The RAM Adapter from ulera came today and I repeated the same steps I have with the other. The old one worked glitch free maybe once out of say 30-40 times. This one, I tried out all my disks, turned off and loaded it again a few times for them all. Even played a few levels in Castlevania, Doki Doki Panic, and a few matches in Pro Wrestling....NO GLITCHES! Now, I just played it today so, there's still more testing(I only spent an hour or so playing with the Famicom.
Here's a shot in the dark and I mentioned this to ulera:
Considering there were two main revisions of the Disk System hardware(one with anti piracy measures and one without), do you think that maybe the RAM adapters are different too to match? For example, using a RAM adapter meant for the second revision on the first will cause problems and the first revision will work on either?
Considering 80sFREAK said not too long ago that there were two kinds of CHR RAM used in different adapters he looked at, is this a possibility?
Now that everything is settled and everything's working, I want to try and find out what's causing it just as much as you guys. I'm up to volunteer some theories and run testing if need be.
Here were other games I had issues with before I sent to ulera:
Full List:
Super Mario Bros 2(Mario's leg a block and later glitching)
Pro Wrestling(wrestlers upper body is missing and other glitches with crowd and left ropes)
Castlevania(random graphical glitches, most notable on opening screen when scene plays of player entering castle)
Moero Twinbee(random graphical glitches, most notable on side scrolling stages)
Falsion(random graphical glitches, Normal play only tested)
Doki Doki Panic(random graphical glitches)
Othello(graphical glitches on the computer's timer; brand new disk)
Hopefully, this new info will help.
I wonder if you cleaned it properly.
I have glitches in games when the RAM adapter isn't cleaned. It needs to be cleaned just like you would clean a cart. If you don't clean a cart, the glitch gremlin may appear in the way you described.
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I'm using the same ram adapter he was though, haven't cleaned it and I'm not having problems.
There are more revisions that just the 3206 vs 7201 chip. There are 5 (IIRC) power board variants, too.
Quote from: ericj on September 14, 2012, 03:58:47 pm
There are more revisions that just the 3206 vs 7201 chip. There are 5 (IIRC) power board variants, too.
No, no, that's about CHR RAM chip. So far i found two different chips has been used in most revisions of
RAM adaptor.
One(and only) that i found had Sony 150ns,
but seems to be it's a critical timing -
jpx72 responded about some graphic glitches in repros, where 150ns CHR RAM has been used.
Interesting. As an aside, I've written disks with a RAM adapter that does the same thing but the disks work perfectly fine on my Twin FC and other FDS with a different RAM adapter.
Quote from: ericj on September 14, 2012, 05:19:20 pm
Interesting. As an aside, I've written disks with a RAM adapter that does the same thing but the disks work perfectly fine on my Twin FC and other FDS with a different RAM adapter.
Red box and adaptor 100% interchangable. Also there never was issue with lodaing disks(err.22 err.27). Couple minutes ago
ulera responded, that RAM adaptor has
exactly same CHR RAM chip made by Sony, as i found. Waiting for another respond to check one more guess.
added not exactly sure, but room temperature might affect, if chip is at the limit. Need more statistic info.
I was referring to graphical glitches. Since the disk image is loaded to the RAM adapter prior to being written to the disk, I thought maybe the resulting written disk may show glitches.
Nope, thre is CRC check before execute the code. Theoretically it's possible to corrupt data and keep CRC ok, but if different games showing similar graphic issue, that's not an issue.
I still keep desoldered CHR RAM chip, maybe i should try to solder it in random adaptor to check on both CRT and LCD TV's.
Flickering graphics also might be result of multicolor or some animation tricks, when watched on non-CRT TV.
At moment i can say, that same Sony made chips widely used in Nintendo products - tons of cartriges has same chip as CHR RAM or WRAM.
Yesterday i checked some donors, i have to recheck it again, but i think i had flickering bottom line(tested with LCD TV, CRT would not show that part of the screen anyway) during scrolling on Dragon Quest III.
There could be some merit to the room temperature thing since my gaming setup is in the basement where it's typically cooler then the rest of the house.
I have no televisions upstairs to test this theory though and I'm not incredibly willing to lug my very heavy television up a flight of stairs.
Ummm, i think hairdryer would help. Don't assemble RAM adaptor, plug it in, blow hot air in between Famicom case and PCB(unfortunately chips placed on down side).
How about I just place it on the stove top? ;D
For the time being I'm gonna take a rest from testing since I'm still a bit under the weather. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.
:'(
sadly that it was typical ebay scammer. I can't beleive how shitty some stupid persons can be.
anyway, for 25$ you can get RAM adaptor even on ebay. 25$ was really enough.
I hate scam-ers like him... 300$ is a lot of money...
Guys, please stop insulting other users.
Just to clarify situation. After opened dispute, i offered $25 refund and he accepted it. Case was closed and i transferred money successfully out of paypal. However, RAM adaptor was tested and no evidence of graphic glitches appeared.
Quote from: manuel on September 16, 2012, 04:57:17 pm
Guys, please stop insulting other users.
without insulting this history can have completely alternative ending :crazy: