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The First Playstation

Started by L___E___T, July 03, 2015, 03:51:28 am

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L___E___T

Pikkon is there a particular post in that thread that leads you to believe so?  Until We see it powered up in action I don't think it can be ruled out an exquisite fake.

I really don't like conspiracy theories but back looks harvested from a PS1, top cartridge parts from a SNES and various other things don't match the picture.  Yellowing also, looks inconsistent with how anti flammable plastics yellow.  Not all backs of SNES cartridges go yellow, but if this was kept in a box all those years then why is the front so yellowed in an arbitrary pattern?  Makes me wonder, but until I see of powered up or something concrete, I remain somewhat skeptical.
My for Sale / Trade thread
http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=9423.msg133828#msg133828
大事なのは、オチに至るまでの積み重ねなのです。

Shumi Nagaremono

I suspect that, should this turn out to be real, Sony and/or Nintendo could claim it to be their stolen property.

Zycrow

A lot of SNES units have yellowed even when kept out of sunlight - I think it's actually a chemical reaction rather than the usual photodegradation. Doesn't really confirm the veracity of the thing, but some of the latest posts in the thread linked earlier show Japanese patent imagery that very closely resemble the one that was found.
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UglyJoe

Man, from a moderator's perspective, that assembler thread is soooo annoying to read.  So many repeat questions / suggestions / requests / images.

L___E___T

Yes it is very irritating to read through all the babble, but then again Assembler is already quite irritating ta the best of times I find.

Quote from: Zycrow on July 06, 2015, 07:36:06 am
A lot of SNES units have yellowed even when kept out of sunlight - I think it's actually a chemical reaction rather than the usual photodegradation. Doesn't really confirm the veracity of the thing, but some of the latest posts in the thread linked earlier show Japanese patent imagery that very closely resemble the one that was found.



It is chemical 100% - it's just exacerbated by sunlight.  Note the pattern where the controller would have been plugged in.  I suppose it could have stained that way, but would need to be out in sunlight a long time (which is also possible of course, on a shelf somewhere).

Second note - the system is not for sale.  The owner has already been inundated with sale requests and is getting pissed at this point apparently, just an FYI.
My for Sale / Trade thread
http://www.famicomworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=9423.msg133828#msg133828
大事なのは、オチに至るまでの積み重ねなのです。

P

It was in the attics, did they ever say it was stored away from sunlight?

Anyway I'm waiting for pictures of it running. Not that that couldn't be faked too of course.

Shumi Nagaremono

Quote from: L___E___T on July 06, 2015, 08:16:18 am

Second note - the system is not for sale.  The owner has already been inundated with sale requests and is getting pissed at this point apparently, just an FYI.


That's understandable.  I'm sure that for every offer of like 20 grand he receives, there are also *hundreds* of offers like "I'll give you 100 bucks, in cash, right now, bro".

Not that unsolicited offers of tens of thousands of dollars ever seem *super* legit... 

StJackie

Since it's maybe the only one around.. i would definitely sell it high... 40-50 k!


P

Some updates!

So they finally was able to turn it on, and it plays NTSC games fine except that sound doesn't work. The demo cart is working and it's apparently the BIOS for the CD-unit (the cart has been dumped and also works in emulators). The emulator NO$SNS now supports the CD-unit and Nocash added the documentation into the fullsnes doc. He even made the first SFX-100 CD-homebrew (it's in the snes/bsx/nss/cdrom download).

Anyway, although the demo BIOS cart works, it can't detect the CD-unit at all for some reason. And there's still the problem that sound isn't working.

They took it to Ben Heck to see if he could repair the sound and CD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug-CyGXMabg Teardown Part 1
They open it up and checks the insides. The prototype is apparently called SFX-100. They compare it to PC Engine and Mega CD, I think they got some of the specs wrong though (they claim that PC Engine CD doesn't have Backup RAM, which it does, how else are you supposed to save in those games?). In part 2 they are going to see if they can get sound and CD working.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh91IO9cV48 Teardown Part 2
Long story short: The CD seems to have been disabled by a mod on the board (maybe as part of an agreement for the person who had it before to be allowed to keep it) so they removed this mod. It made the CD-unit detectable from the BIOS, but it still couldn't spin properly.  They replaced the old capacitors on the board and by doing this, both sound and the CD-drive was fixed. So now it's a fully functional Super Famicom with sound, but allthough the CD-unit can spin and eject the tray, it still can't read any discs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xkHBzvk290 Update
So they believe the CD-laser is the culprit. They found a lens that might work. To be continued...

MaxXimus

Interesting update. Thank you!

P

Some improvement!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2t_NGA52Qc (SFX-100 reparation starts at 7:00)
So they got that new CD-drive and tried to replace it. To be continued...

FamicomRetroGamer

"First PlayStation" is the PS1, the original PlayStation. This Sony/Nintendo console would then be called the PS0 then.

It's always cool to see this.

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Quote from: Shumi Nagaremono on July 06, 2015, 02:53:58 am
I suspect that, should this turn out to be real, Sony and/or Nintendo could claim it to be their stolen property.


Stolen property? That's funny.

P

Update!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaIfPuziJ-0
Conclusion: So they replaced a few more suspicious capacitors and at some point the CD just worked! It's not clear what made it to work but I assume it's the caps. The homebrew games Magic Floor and Super Boss Gaiden didn't work perfectly at first, but this was probably due to faulty assumptions made by the programmers when they made the game for the Super CD format. They later fixed the problems in the code and after that they played perfectly! So now the Nintendo Playstation finally plays music CDs as well as Super CD games as it should!