Started by JC, August 26, 2006, 12:13:07 pm
Quote from: MaarioS on July 07, 2018, 04:45:42 amI believe you can still run emulators "unofficially" on hacked NES/SNES mini and there should be some sort of option to "force PAL". Of course this applies if you are so desperate to do that, even though I'm in PAL region I never played any PAL game in PAL speed in the last 5 years. PAL is atrocious and is the worst system for gaming as games are supposed to play fast
Quote from: MaarioS on July 07, 2018, 04:45:42 amPAL is atrocious and is the worst system for gaming as games are supposed to play fast
Quote from: RetrospectivesI see. I dont know where I got the memory about PAL. I think speedrunners and such still play at 50hz some of them? Or maybe I just listed to a very bad argument for someone protecting the 50hz hehe. Yeah, 60hz is preferred, but is too bad many of the Europe releases not compatible with 60hz because it would make it more playable to collect them. Or are they work on example NTSC? I know SMB and some game were optimized for PAL and also Mario Classic Serie, the German original, it run too fast on NTSC, but I know there is hack for that game and in Japan it already release Kaette Kita Mario Bros for FDS but still is sad if cannot play childhood games on real system in normal speed. Cry
Quote from: P on July 08, 2018, 04:51:24 amYeah some speedrunners do play on PAL, but generally speedrunners always plays on real hardware, not emulators.If you want to play both NTSC and PAL NES games correctly there is no way around having both a Famicom (or NTSC NES) and a PAL NES (until the day we build the ultimate Famirepro that has it all that is ). Games generally work cross-region (if you take care of the lockout chip) but speed, music pitch and colour emphasis (which not many games use though) will be off. And due to some differences in both systems there are games from both regions that does not work at all in the other one. For example Elite seems to be using the longer screen-update-time (vblank) that the PAL NES offers and will therefore not work on NTSC systems (or Dendy/Pegasus).The biggest reason why we Europeans don't play so much PAL anymore is part because of the poor PAL conversations but also simply because there are far more NTSC games. Europe was especially starved of RPGs during the 8-bit and 16-bit eras (Final Fantasy VII was the first RPG for most Europeans).
Quote from: P on July 04, 2018, 07:40:28 amWell Swedish kings traditionally don't resign like Japanese emperors do, except in rare cases. They continue to reign until they die and their successor will be crowned from then on. When Princess Viktoria was born the system did not allow a female successor so initially she wasn't, and her younger brother born years later became it instead. They eventually changed the rules and she became the new successor and remains that to this day. Apparently the reigning king passed the record this year, and is now the longest reigning king in Swedish history (well older kings died a lot fighting wars of course).Yeah the motto of the current king is "For Sweden in time" which means that he wishes to fit in as a modern monarch.Sadly many young Swedes are easily swayed and often don't have much for royalties.They want one of the world's oldest lasting monarchy to end. "It's against democracy" they say, they really just don't get what's important and what is not. Nope no NES Classic Mini. I only have the Super Famicom Classic Mini.But from what I heard the PAL one is identical to the American one, so the games are NTSC version and runs in 60 Hz. The SNES Classic Mini is probably the same, although it has the SFC look (just like the real PAL SNES). Yeah I don't remember games was slow as a kid, but as I don't have my PAL NES anymore I played the PAL version of those old games for the first time in years when the Wii virtual console came out. Megaman 2 was incredibly slow! I have no memory of that from when I was a kid. This is only an issue with Famicom/NES games that was not properly sped up when released to PAL. Many developers didn't change anything at all leaving music notes sounding totally different (due to the slower clocked APU) and gameplay very slow. I can't say that's part of nostalgia because I don't really remember it, and these games are clearly better when played as they were designed.
Quote from: MaarioS on July 08, 2018, 10:05:15 am@P you miss the point here. Yes you can optimize games to play on PAL and NTSC just the same and I know this is possible. The reality is that 99% of developers were located in NTSC region and designed games for it and never gave a flying shit about PAL regions and left games as is, meaning they played awful on PAL (entire Europe + Australia + some obscure regions of the world). This applies pretty much for all systems up to PS2. Meaning NTSC is the native system for designing these games and this topic was slammed so many times
Quote from: Retrospectives on July 08, 2018, 06:38:20 amBut what about collectors in PAL (like SCN), they collect SCN games but prefer play the NTSC version of NES? That was one of my bigger question actually since I have seen in local websites these NES game some are very very expensive even they are PAL. So I guess gamers/collectors collect PAL but play NTSC? A bit confused maybe but I am just curious so excuse my ignorance please.
Quote from: L___E___T on July 09, 2018, 05:35:26 am Love the history conversations, but it would indeed be good to get the thread back on topic I can help by saying I picked up a nice nearly new Gold Zelda NES cart - and also one of these: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/calebpaullus/legend-of-pizza-enamel-pins-and-silver-plated-cart I quite liked the little Dark Link design.