What are some good puzzle games for the Famicom

[TMBlitzK]

What the title of the thread says.
What are some good puzzle games for the famicom?
The only few I have played are Wario No Mori, Dr. Mario, and the NES version of Tetris. yes, I know I'm a noob to the Famicom game library.

Also, are there any Sokoban games or Sokoban clones for the famicom? The only Sokoban game I saw was one for the Disk System.

[Nightstar699]

The only version of Sokoban for Famicom that I can think of is the unlicensed ones, such as MegaSoft's Porter.

As for good puzzle games, Palamedes II: Star Twinkles is a pretty nice Famicom-exclusive puzzle game.

[nerdynebraskan]

Yeah, I think Porter is the only pure Sokoban game on the NES/Famicom. I had a copy a while back as part of the Caltron 6-in-1, and honestly, I didn't find it that satisfying. The best Sokoban game I've played is Shove It! for the Genesis, and it wouldn't be hard to get a CIB copy of that for $10 or less. I've also heard some good things about the Boxxle games for the Game Boy, and the first one at least is also super cheap.

You should definitely look closely at the Eggerland/Adventures of Lolo series of games. They're excellent games that involve a lot of Sokoban-style, box-moving strategy. The Famicom versions are supposed to feature different puzzles than the NES versions, so it seems worth it to buy them all. (I can't say for certain personally, as I'm still looking for FC versions of the Lolo games.)

Another enjoyable, more obscure FC-exclusive puzzle game with Sokoban elements I believe would be Ochin ni Toshi Puzzle Tonjan!?

(Just so you know, Wario's Woods and Dr. Mario are both variations of Puyo Puyo, which always seemed to need a licensed tie-in to popular game characters to get published in the US. There was also Kirby's Avalanche for the SNES and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine [with Sonic characters] for the Genesis.)

As far as other enjoyable FC puzzles and  puzzle hybrids, look into:

Arkanoid II (I think of Breakout-type games as action-puzzles)
Babel no Tou (kind of a Solomon's Key type action-puzzle)
Banana
Binary Land
Egypt
Flipull (Taito puzzle that is similar, but still unique from, the US-released Puzznic)
Gorby no Pipeline Daisakusen (a line up the pipes style puzzle mixed with Tetris/Puyo Puyo arranging pieces falling into a well)
Lot Lot
Moai-Kun (also in the same vein with Solomon's Key)
Puzslot (a Puyo Puyo/slot machine simulator hybrid; it's actually more satisfying than the basic description might sound)
Quarth (Konami's hybrid of overhead shooters and Tetris. Weird, but awesome.)
Tetris 2 + BomBliss (Completely unrelated to the US Tetris 2. Totally solid version of Tetris that never saw the light of day here.)
Wit's

The above are all games that I've played and found solid enough to keep as part of my collection.

[P]

I also recommend the Eggerland/Lolo series. It's my favourite and most of the games in the series can be played on Famicom. I'm currently playing the first one for FDS, which is actually the second game in the series (the first one is exclusive for the MSX).

Nerdynebraskan mentioned Solomon's Key but it's not in his list so I have to recommend that and Solomon's Key 2.
I don't see what you mean by Wario no Mori and Dr Mario being versions of Puyo Puyo like Kirby's Avalanche and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. Wario no Mori and Dr. Mario are both different games in the same genre made by a different company (Nintendo).
Talking about Puyo Puyo it's ok too but I prefer later games in the series.

[nerdynebraskan]

Yeah, I didn't bother to go into much detail on NES puzzle games. If the original poster is interested, I'll give a list of good NES puzzle games too (and both Solomon's Key games would make that cut).

Puyo Puyo games are, at least broadly speaking, puzzle games with many varied pieces dropping continuously into a well. The variety among falling pieces is usually depicted with different colors. The objective is to clear pieces out of the well by matching up a given number (typically 3 or more) of like pieces. Even if there are subtle gameplay differences, I think it's fair to describe all of the games in this mold as Puyo Puyo variants. Regardless of publisher, graphical style, or console, these games are all defined by the need to match up like-colored objects and clear them off the screen.

Dr. Mario and Wario's Woods/Wario no Mori may have been programmed independently from each other, and from the first Puyo Puyo, but both games are undeniably indebted to the latter for their basic objective and gameplay. (Ditto for all of the other imitators.)

EDIT: I re-read my first post, and may have seen our point of confusion. I've changed my description of Dr. Mario and Wario's Woods from "versions" to "variations", to lessen the connotation that the Nintendo releases were simply ports of the original Puyo Puyo.

[P]

The first Solomon's Key could also fit in the platform game genre I think, but the second game is definitely a puzzle game.

Yeah it was the word "versions" that I reacted upon. They are undeniably similar games that borrows ideas from each other like you said. They are all games of the puzzle sub-genre often called "Tetris clones", which really is a stupid name since it's an established genre rather than a bunch of cheap clones.

[TMBlitzK]

Everyone's recomending Puyo Puyo. I love that game. So there's a Famicom version? I currently own Puyo Puyo for the Megadrive and Puyo Puyo Tsu for Windows 95. Is it any better than those?
I never played Solomon's Key before. I've only heard of it.

@Nightstar699; I looked up a youtube video for Palamedes II, and it looks good and its music is awesome. I'm gonna have to try this one out.

@nerdynebraskan; Lolo is a great game, I played a rom of it once before. I've played Binary Land and Lot Lot before on a Power Player Super Joy Famiclone, They're okay I guess. Banana looks pretty fun. Gorby no Pipeline Daisakusen looks interesting, I might pick that one up.

Thanks for the recommendation's, I didn't know about most of these,  

[homogenized]

I thought Puyo Puyo was released after Dr. Mario?  I checked GameFAQs and Wikipedia to be sure, but they're not always correct.

[XiTaU]

i would like to +1 for quarth its a great game and i found it unexpected and love it

[P]

Everyone's recomending Puyo Puyo. I love that game. So there's a Famicom version? I currently own Puyo Puyo for the Megadrive and Puyo Puyo Tsu for Windows 95. Is it any better than those?
I never played Solomon's Key before. I've only heard of it.

Yeah there's a cart version and a disk version for Famicom. It's certainly not better than the Megadrive version or Puyo Puyo Tsuu (I haven't played the windows version though). Kermel has written a good review of it, and my thoughts is about the same so here you go http://www.videogameden.com/fc.htm?puy.

Solomon's Key is a great but pretty hard puzzle platformer where you create platforms with earth magic. There's a trick to get continues but it only works up to a certain level. The arcade version is even harder than the Famicom version and has different levels.

For Eggerland/Lolo the best game to start with is either the first game (MSX only), or the NES exclusive Adventures of Lolo, as the second and third games are pretty hard if it's your first time. The naming of the series is a bit complicated, but check out this article if you are interested in the series http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/eggerland/eggerland.htm.

[famifan]

bomberman counts?

[Nightstar699]

Yeah I'd consider Bomberman to be a puzzle game in a similar way as Binary Land. In that case, I'm particularly fond of Bomberman II.

[L___E___T]

I like Quarth.  Half shooter, half puzzler.

[famifan]

Lode Runner  action maze puzzle game

[nerdynebraskan]

I like Lode Runner, too. If you're a Lode-Running master, you can try Championship Lode Runner for the FC. I really need to play more of the first game. I've tried several levels of the FC sequel, and I can't complete any of them.